Toyota Throttle Electronics Easily Confused
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From: Ed White on 25 Feb 2010 16:22 On Feb 25, 10:58 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)mindspring.com> wrote in messagenews:hm66i9$u0a$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > The important question is - who is funding Dr. Gilbert's "research? My > > understanding is that it is funded by trail lawyers. Trail lawyers don't > > care about facts or truth, except as they can be twisted to suit their > > purposes. They have no problems at all misrepresenting the facts in an > > attempt to extort moeny from corporations (and of course, eventually from > > "us"). > > > Ed > > In 40+ years of hiking, I have never found the need for a trail lawyer. Me either. What I need is a spell checker that knows what I meant to type :)
From: Ed White on 25 Feb 2010 16:43 On Feb 25, 10:09 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)mindspring.com> wrote in messagenews:hm6346$ukt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > > > > > > > "john" <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:632aabcb-70bd-4397-879b-f6da50eb972f(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com.... > >> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the > >> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so > >> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. > > >> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University > >> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment > >> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by > >> introducing a short between two circuits. > > > Consider who is paying for this research....Trail Lawyers! > > > This is eerily like the Audi 5000 frenzy. When 60 minutes did their > > hatchet job on the 5000, they produced an "expert" who "proved" that the > > 5000's automatic transmission could force a kick down of the accelerator > > pedal, resulting in sudden acceleration. Good old Ed Bradly presented this > > as some sort of scientific proof. Only later did we learn (and not from > > CBS) that the expert added an extra hydraulic pump and external piping to > > demonstarte this "failure" mode. > > > There may or may not be an actual problem with the Toyota electronics. But > > an "expert" that creates shorts to "prove" there is a problem is not the > > sort of expert I trust. > > > Ed > > I see no indication that any expert claims to have proven anything. Maybe > you're interpreting something differently than I am. Please highlight the > words you read and surround them with five asterisks on either end of the > phrase, *****like this*****.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - "Prove" was probably to strong a word. I suppose I should have said "an expert that creates wildly unlikely shorts to demonstartes how the electronics could casue the problem is not the sort of expert I trust." Ed
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 25 Feb 2010 17:45 "Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:7215d72a-22b8-445e-80db-27bb499ff146(a)t23g2000yqt.googlegroups.com... On Feb 25, 10:58 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)mindspring.com> wrote in > messagenews:hm66i9$u0a$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > The important question is - who is funding Dr. Gilbert's "research? My > > understanding is that it is funded by trail lawyers. Trail lawyers don't > > care about facts or truth, except as they can be twisted to suit their > > purposes. They have no problems at all misrepresenting the facts in an > > attempt to extort moeny from corporations (and of course, eventually > > from > > "us"). > > > Ed > > In 40+ years of hiking, I have never found the need for a trail lawyer. Me either. What I need is a spell checker that knows what I meant to type :) ============== You do OK for a guy who's blind.
From: Tegger on 25 Feb 2010 17:47 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:hm66bl$rnb$1 @news.eternal-september.org: > > "jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:ksWdnXsZp4N7GhvWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > >> double-standard bullshit. frod bribed the entire congress into >> accepting a lie about tires being at fault for a fundamentally >> flawed vehicle design. where the heck were all you guys then? > > You have to quit repeating this lie. Explorers were no more > "fundamentally flawed" than other mid sized SUVs from the 1990's. As I > have pointed out to you multiple times, the accident rates, injury > rates, rollover rates, etc. for Explorers were actually better than > for most competitive vehciels and far better than for 4Runners from > that period. Explorers actually had much lower injury rates that > "Average" vehciles in that time period. The two vehicles are not really comparable. The Explorer and the 4Runner attracted different markets, with the 4Runner's market being younger. Younger is generally associated with higher accident claims. I've never driven an Explorer, but I did spend two weeks driving an Escape, a few years ago. I was quite impressed with the truck's handling. For such a tall vehicle, it was surprisingly nimble and well-controlled. Had I been in the market for a small domestic SUV, I think the Escape would have been my choice. -- Tegger
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 25 Feb 2010 17:51
"Ed White" <ce.white3(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:b7ac991d-46ce-429d-98c6-169a84b3e795(a)b30g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On Feb 25, 10:09 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" <newstr...(a)frontiernet.net> wrote: > "C. E. White" <cewhi...(a)mindspring.com> wrote in > messagenews:hm6346$ukt$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > > > > > > > "john" <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > >news:632aabcb-70bd-4397-879b-f6da50eb972f(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... > >> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the > >> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known so > >> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. > > >> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University > >> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab environment > >> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by > >> introducing a short between two circuits. > > > Consider who is paying for this research....Trail Lawyers! > > > This is eerily like the Audi 5000 frenzy. When 60 minutes did their > > hatchet job on the 5000, they produced an "expert" who "proved" that the > > 5000's automatic transmission could force a kick down of the accelerator > > pedal, resulting in sudden acceleration. Good old Ed Bradly presented > > this > > as some sort of scientific proof. Only later did we learn (and not from > > CBS) that the expert added an extra hydraulic pump and external piping > > to > > demonstarte this "failure" mode. > > > There may or may not be an actual problem with the Toyota electronics. > > But > > an "expert" that creates shorts to "prove" there is a problem is not the > > sort of expert I trust. > > > Ed > > I see no indication that any expert claims to have proven anything. Maybe > you're interpreting something differently than I am. Please highlight the > words you read and surround them with five asterisks on either end of the > phrase, *****like this*****.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - "Prove" was probably to strong a word. I suppose I should have said "an expert that creates wildly unlikely shorts to demonstartes how the electronics could casue the problem is not the sort of expert I trust." Ed ============= Luckily, your profession doesn't involve any form of science or technology. |