Toyota Throttle Electronics Easily Confused
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From: Tegger on 25 Feb 2010 20:11 bob <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote in news:MPG.25f0d7f324b7197098974f(a)news.eternal-september.org: > In article <Xns9D2AB50D8C0F4tegger(a)208.90.168.18>, invalid(a)invalid.inv > says... >> >> I've never driven an Explorer, but I did spend two weeks driving an >> Escape, a few years ago. I was quite impressed with the truck's >> handling. For such a tall vehicle, it was surprisingly nimble and >> well-controlled. Had I been in the market for a small domestic SUV, I >> think the Escape would have been my choice. > > Tegger, > > The Escape is not a truck-based SUV. But it is officially classed by the federal government as a "light truck", so my terminology is accurate as far as the legal definitions are concerned. -- Tegger
From: bob on 25 Feb 2010 22:31 In article <Xns9D2ACD6CCA8C7tegger(a)208.90.168.18>, invalid(a)invalid.inv says... > > bob <nottooslow42(a)yahoo.com> wrote in > news:MPG.25f0d7f324b7197098974f(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > > In article <Xns9D2AB50D8C0F4tegger(a)208.90.168.18>, invalid(a)invalid.inv > > says... > > >> > >> I've never driven an Explorer, but I did spend two weeks driving an > >> Escape, a few years ago. I was quite impressed with the truck's > >> handling. For such a tall vehicle, it was surprisingly nimble and > >> well-controlled. Had I been in the market for a small domestic SUV, I > >> think the Escape would have been my choice. > > > > Tegger, > > > > The Escape is not a truck-based SUV. > > > > But it is officially classed by the federal government as a "light truck", > so my terminology is accurate as far as the legal definitions are > concerned. Tegger, OK. Perhaps were should call it a compact cross-over SUV:-) At least that's what most of the auto rags call it. Bob
From: jim beam on 25 Feb 2010 23:08 On 02/25/2010 06:56 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "john"<johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:632aabcb-70bd-4397-879b-f6da50eb972f(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the >> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known >> so >> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. >> >> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University >> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab >> environment >> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by >> introducing a short between two circuits. > > Consider who is paying for this research....Trail Lawyers! "trail" lawyers? com on ed, when you regurgitate the copy your minions draft for you, you really should proof read it before you put your name to it. besides, since when was a lawyer's ability to subpoena factual evidence the lawyer's fault? if frod hadn't done the math on cost of payouts to the families of the bereaved vs. profits on a vehicle they knew to be flawed, neither i nor any "trail" lawyer would be able to confront you with reality. > > This is eerily like the Audi 5000 frenzy. When 60 minutes did their > hatchet job on the 5000, they produced an "expert" who "proved" that > the 5000's automatic transmission could force a kick down of the > accelerator pedal, resulting in sudden acceleration. Good old Ed > Bradly presented this as some sort of scientific proof. Only later did > we learn (and not from CBS) that the expert added an extra hydraulic > pump and external piping to demonstarte this "failure" mode. > > There may or may not be an actual problem with the Toyota electronics. > But an "expert" that creates shorts to "prove" there is a problem is > not the sort of expert I trust. that's because you're a paid shill ed, and you have no technical expertise. seriously, if you could actually /do/ anything of societal value, you'd be doing it rather than poisoning the interweb with bullshit for money. > > Ed > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: jim beam on 25 Feb 2010 23:08 On 02/25/2010 07:52 AM, C. E. White wrote: > "jim beam"<me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > news:ksWdnXsZp4N7GhvWnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > >> double-standard bullshit. frod bribed the entire congress into >> accepting a lie about tires being at fault for a fundamentally >> flawed vehicle design. where the heck were all you guys then? > > You have to quit repeating this lie. Explorers were no more > "fundamentally flawed" than other mid sized SUVs from the 1990's. As I > have pointed out to you multiple times, the accident rates, injury > rates, rollover rates, etc. for Explorers were actually better than > for most competitive vehciels and far better than for 4Runners from > that period. only after you've massaged the numbers. the /real/ data, the nhtsa's "single vehicle rollover fatalities per million driver miles" had the exploder as a standout "winner" of the "kill your driver" contest by a margin of about 3x. > Explorers actually had much lower injury rates that > "Average" vehciles in that time period. The facts are out there. You > prefer to ignore those and it makes you look like a lair. carefully selected bullshit ed. and you know it. because you're paid to know it. > > Trying to deflect attention from the Toyota problems by lying is a sad > tactic. oh, ed, i'm sad alright - i keep pointing out your hypocrisy, double standards, deceit and bullshit. > > Ed > > -- nomina rutrum rutrum
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 25 Feb 2010 23:10
"jim beam" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:4vKdnXiljpeq1BrWnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d(a)speakeasy.net... > On 02/25/2010 06:56 AM, C. E. White wrote: >> "john"<johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:632aabcb-70bd-4397-879b-f6da50eb972f(a)l12g2000prg.googlegroups.com... >>> The floor mats and sticking pedal accounts for only 30% of the >>> problems. The true cause of sudden acceleration is still not known >>> so >>> no real solution is possible. IMO it's the electronics. >>> >>> "In earlier testimony, David Gilbert, a Southern Illinois University >>> professor, tells the panel he was able to produce in a lab >>> environment >>> a sudden-acceleration incident using a Toyota vehicle, in essence by >>> introducing a short between two circuits. >> >> Consider who is paying for this research....Trail Lawyers! > > "trail" lawyers? com on ed, when you regurgitate the copy your minions > draft for you, you really should proof read it before you put your name to > it. > > besides, since when was a lawyer's ability to subpoena factual evidence > the lawyer's fault? if frod hadn't done the math on cost of payouts to > the families of the bereaved vs. profits on a vehicle they knew to be > flawed, neither i nor any "trail" lawyer would be able to confront you > with reality. > > > >> >> This is eerily like the Audi 5000 frenzy. When 60 minutes did their >> hatchet job on the 5000, they produced an "expert" who "proved" that >> the 5000's automatic transmission could force a kick down of the >> accelerator pedal, resulting in sudden acceleration. Good old Ed >> Bradly presented this as some sort of scientific proof. Only later did >> we learn (and not from CBS) that the expert added an extra hydraulic >> pump and external piping to demonstarte this "failure" mode. >> >> There may or may not be an actual problem with the Toyota electronics. >> But an "expert" that creates shorts to "prove" there is a problem is >> not the sort of expert I trust. > > that's because you're a paid shill ed, and you have no technical > expertise. seriously, if you could actually /do/ anything of societal > value, you'd be doing it rather than poisoning the interweb with bullshit > for money. > > >> >> Ed Who are his minions anyway? I haven't seen his dossier. |