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From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 4 Mar 2010 23:15 On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:42:19 -0800, john wrote: > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar to > airline "black boxes" So has everyone else, putz. Here's a hint for you: don't like Toyotas? DON'T BUY ONE!
From: FridoLay on 4 Mar 2010 23:28 On 3/4/2010 9:49 PM, Jeff Strickland wrote: > "john"<johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com... >> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! >> >> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was >> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not >> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that >> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. >> >> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden >> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of >> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. >> >> Full article at: >> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-1294427692.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode= >> > > It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD II > data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be public > domain as well. > > It's my car, it's my data. > Miss the laughingly named 'USA Patriot Act'??
From: ransley on 5 Mar 2010 07:46 On Mar 4, 10:15 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:42:19 -0800, john wrote: > > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar to > > airline "black boxes" > > So has everyone else, putz. > > Here's a hint for you: don't like Toyotas? DON'T BUY ONE! I have a toyota, the last one, even Consumer Reports rated some Ford products above Tototas camrys long before this scam took place, CR, an independant magazine has found Toys not getting the highest overall reliability rating. Now they are proud to get the lowest credibility rating. Buy a Ford feed 10 US families, Buy a Toyota feed 10 Jap families. Since they have been so stupid to lie and go the beancounter rout it wont be toyota for me anymore.
From: Vic Smith on 5 Mar 2010 07:53 On 4 Mar 2010 22:12:54 -0500, kludge(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >john <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >>to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden >>unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of >>lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. > >ALL car manufacturers consider this proprietary information. You're lucky >that they even use the standard OBD-II codes and they wouldn't even do that >if the government didn't require them. > >ANY information beyond the standard codes is proprietary. Many people have >reverse engineered the data for a lot of cars and so you can get historical >data with many scanners, but the actual interrogation codes are proprietary >because people could... horrors... use them to actually fix cars without >taking them to the dealer. > >Next thing you know you'll be asking them to make ECM source code public. >--scott Looks like nobody here saw the discussion during the Congressional hearings about this. This issue was raised, and the Toyota reps were promising to send more laptops to the U.S. Even gave numbers. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hcIYhXE9h4CnUkhDIQrfIC4MLN-wD9E83O9G0 "Until this week, there was only a single laptop in the U.S. containing the software needed to read the data following a crash." The AP article makes clear that anyone who wants to can download black box data from GM, Ford, Chrysler, and Nissan. That means anybody reading this. I don't know the cost, but the means is readily available to anyone. Not true for Toyota, and you need a court order to read Honda black boxes! Jesus, anybody is entitled to their opinion, but there is only one set of facts. Read the facts, and comment on them. Don't make up our own facts. That's a general comment, not aimed at you, Scott. --Vic
From: C. E. White on 5 Mar 2010 08:03
"john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com... > That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! > > Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she > was > practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not > stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that > emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake > pedal. > > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices > similar > to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden > unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of > lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. > > Full article at: > http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-1294427692.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode= Toyota has agreed to make the equipment needed to read the black box data available. From http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100225/CARNEWS/100229931 : "Reacting to criticism that data from black-box crash recorders in its vehicles can be accessed only by the company, Toyota Motor Corp. is moving to ship hundreds of data-decoding machines to the United States and make them commercially available to help diagnose vehicle problems." Ed |