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From: fred on 7 Mar 2010 22:35 kludge(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in news:hn1ba6$ehv$1(a)panix2.panix.com: >>All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to sell >>cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit >>diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the >>model to the market." It may very well already be true. > > I would love to see this happen. Not only that, I'd love to see it be > required for _all_ electronic products. > > It won't, mind you. But if it were done, first of all you would see > it would encourage innovation, and secondly you would see a number of > Asian importers shipping out incorrect information. You've never worked in a government agency then obviously. Such things are routine - virtually any commercial form of transports has regulations requiring that. Anything beyond that relies on the existance of a somewhat socialist country to exist. Something far more common outside of North America than in it. Most professional sports organizations require any equipment - right on up to actual cars be submitted to complete examination along with complete plans for their construction. This is far from a new or alien concept.
From: C. E. White on 8 Mar 2010 08:11 "fred" <fred(a)bedrock.rock> wrote in message news:Xns9D34B4D952E36fred(a)127.0.0.1... > All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to > sell > cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit > diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the > model to the market." It may very well already be true. Let's say that all car manufacturers give all this information to NHTSA, who at NHTSA is going to read and understand it? Ed
From: Scott Dorsey on 8 Mar 2010 10:10 In article <Xns9D34E3AFC68A7fred(a)127.0.0.1>, fred <fred(a)bedrock.rock> wrote: >kludge(a)panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in >news:hn1ba6$ehv$1(a)panix2.panix.com: > >>>All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to sell >>>cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit >>>diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the >>>model to the market." It may very well already be true. >> >> I would love to see this happen. Not only that, I'd love to see it be >> required for _all_ electronic products. >> >> It won't, mind you. But if it were done, first of all you would see >> it would encourage innovation, and secondly you would see a number of >> Asian importers shipping out incorrect information. > >You've never worked in a government agency then obviously. Such things >are routine - virtually any commercial form of transports has >regulations requiring that. Anything beyond that relies on the existance >of a somewhat socialist country to exist. Sadly not. In fact, I see the military buying field radios that Icom won't even provide service information on. They just pull the modules out and send them off to Japan for rework.... --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
From: cuhulin on 8 Mar 2010 11:33 Toyota disputes critic who blames electronics. http://www.clarionledger.com Business section. cuhulin
From: fred on 8 Mar 2010 18:58
"C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:hn2t1s$43j$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "fred" <fred(a)bedrock.rock> wrote in message > news:Xns9D34B4D952E36fred(a)127.0.0.1... > >> All the government has to do is say, "As part of being allowed to >> sell >> cars here, you are required to provide the source code and circuit >> diagrams for all electronics in your cars to DOT upon release of the >> model to the market." It may very well already be true. > > Let's say that all car manufacturers give all this information to > NHTSA, who at NHTSA is going to read and understand it? > An automotive and/or electronic engineer employed by the government. They *do* exist you know - government employees with useful degrees. Do you think they rely on uneducated paper pushers any time there's a plane crash? |