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From: cuhulin on 5 Mar 2010 11:19 I have some nasty neighbors.I reckon I shouldn't even be thinking I wish I could hack their vehicles.I am not a hacker anyway, I wouldn't even know where to start. cuhulin
From: Steve W. on 5 Mar 2010 11:30 Tom Adams wrote: > On Mar 4, 9:42 pm, john <johngd...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! >> >> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was >> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not >> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that >> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. >> >> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden >> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of >> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. >> >> Full article at:http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-12944... > > Toyota's EDRs probably are lousy. The main reason for car makers > putting in an EDR in the first place was for accident analysis to > avoid liability and sort our fact from fiction. The fact that Toyota > has had trouble doing this for the accelerator problem is evidence of > lack of useful data in the EDR. Its not like Toyota can't read the > black box in their own cars. Most of the EDR data I have read or seen off vehicles is pretty good info. For most GM vehicles it shows a LOT of info that really isn't needed for accident use as well. The last one I read was from an Escalade and showed all of the same info from the ECM that you would get reading the ECM with a good scan tool. Plus it showed the brake status, ABS status, wheel speed data, seat belt info, air bag info and what sensors set off the bags. I would bet a BIG chunk of money that Toyotas can show all the same data. I would also suspect that they would rather NOT have anyone read the data from the cars involved because it probably would hurt them a LOT. If it was favorable data they would trot it out and show the public, but if you read most of the items in the news every time they have been ordered to show the data in court they have settled the case out of court. Not a good sign. -- Steve W.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 5 Mar 2010 12:43 On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 05:32:45 -0800, ransley wrote: > On Mar 4, 10:15 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: >> On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 18:42:19 -0800, john wrote: >> > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >> > to airline "black boxes" >> >> So has everyone else, putz. >> >> Here's a hint for you: don't like Toyotas? DON'T BUY ONE! > > So who pays you, and what does your Japanese Signature really mean, { > Toyota forever]? [we won at Pearl Harbor] ? . Get on a junk and float > back to your island. No one pays me. Who pays 'john' to post and run? Nobody says anyone has to drive a Toyota. And, pardon me, you ignorance is showing.
From: Hachiroku ハチロク on 5 Mar 2010 12:46 On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 04:03:43 -0800, ransley wrote: >> > Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >> > to airline "black boxes" >> >> So has everyone else, putz. >> >> Here's a hint for you: don't like Toyotas? DON'T BUY ONE! > > Why is he a Puts for telling it like it is, He doesn't. Where has he mentioned anything but Toyota, even though a lot of car companies keep their data to themselves? He comes, and posts, and then runs away. Basically, a Troll. Good for you for defending him.
From: Jeff Strickland on 5 Mar 2010 12:56
"Ray O" <rokigawa(a)NOSPAMtristarassociates.com> wrote in message news:hmpudl$e4c$2(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrjeff(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:hmprgv$srb$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> >> "john" <johngdole(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:0dbebe1e-d08d-4e40-94b0-f3708655765e(a)c37g2000prb.googlegroups.com... >>> That must be Toyota's way of taking the 5th! >>> >>> Before she died, the 5-foot-2, 125-pound woman told relatives she was >>> practically standing with both feet on the brake pedal but could not >>> stop the car from slamming into a building. Records confirm that >>> emergency personnel found Grossman with both feet on the brake pedal. >>> >>> Toyota has for years blocked access to data stored in devices similar >>> to airline "black boxes" that could explain crashes blamed on sudden >>> unintended acceleration, according to an Associated Press review of >>> lawsuits nationwide and interviews with auto crash experts. >>> >>> Full article at: >>> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AP-IMPACT-Toyota-secretive-on-apf-1294427692.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode= >>> >> >> It's time that black box data comes into the public domain. Just like OBD >> II data has been found to be public domain, black box data should be >> public domain as well. >> >> It's my car, it's my data. >> > > EDR's will become required equipment soon, the regulations are already in > place. > -- Yeah, but the data they contain needs to be standardized. Today, the data is sorta like the old OBD I spec, it was there but it took a variety of methods to get to it, depending on the make and model of the car they needed to get the data out of. The data needs to be standardized to facilitate extraction and analysis. |