From: chuckcar on
cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in
news:i1o5n4$ku3$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca:

> chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes:
>> Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in
>> news:Xns9DB5D1D2E86AAtegger(a)208.90.168.18:
>>
>
>> Thanks for that. I for one can not understand why people don't post
>> the link to the actual article
>
> Because I read (actually skimmed) it in the newspaper, (which I noted
> above). What do you want?... it delivered to you on a silver
> platter?... Have you seen the price of silver lately?
>
Well, stating the paper is rarely if ever the same as a link - simply
because there can be hundreds of articles on an online edition.

> When I saw "AUDI"... oh well there it is... "Pedal Confusion", which I
> have been suspecting for 8 months.
>
> "Pedal Confusion" is well known to the insurance industry and to
> automotive engineers. Search the archives of Car and Driver magazine
> for more info on "Pedal Confusion". They wrote articles about the Audi
> fiasco 25 to 35 years ago. That's when I learned about "Pedal
> Confusion". There is an important component that goes along "Pedal
> confusion"... it's called "panic".
>
Along with borderline driver competence.

>> as opposed to some abbreviated form on some
>> questionable source as I often see. So it comes down to people who
>> aren't competent drivers "doing themselves in" and then suing (one
>> would hope unsucessfully) for their mistake. Lovely. Perhaps all new
>> drivers should be required to use a mandatory standard transmission
>> for their first 5 years of driving.
>
> And demonstrate competence in a technique called "heel and toeing".
>
>
> Search "Bob Bondurant" for more info re "heel and toeing", if
> necessary.
>
I'm well aware of what it is - I'm a F1 fan - in your city BTW. I live in
Ottawa as well. The best example IMHO is during the Monaco race in the
movie Grand Prix.


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From: chuckcar on
ben91932 <benteaches(a)gmail.com> wrote in
news:c80493cf-0fab-40ab-bab3-bac1ee0f15d4(a)x1g2000prc.googlegroups.com:

> On Jul 14, 4:23�pm, cf...(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote:
>> 'U.S. finds driver error in some Toyota crashes'
>
>> U.S. DOT re 'sudden acceleration' (Toyotas) at time of crash
>> 'throttles wide open and brakes were not engaged.' 'findings don't
>> exonerate Toyota from known issues of sticky pedals and floor mat
>> problems.'
>>
>> 'findings are consistent with 1989 study of sudden acceleration
>> involving Audi 5000 sedans.'
>>
>> Pedal Confusion... a phrase beget by the Audi fiasco.
>
> Wrong pedal apply probably explains alot of the issues. I just wonder
> if the throttle pedal/sensor recall is going to fix the rest. I am
> convinced and certain that the wreck involving the CHP guy was not a
> wrong pedal deal.

I don't know about that. There was quite a bit not there with them if
you follow me.


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From: M.A. Stewart on
chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes:
> cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in
> news:i1o5n4$ku3$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca:
>
>> chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes:
>>> Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in
>>> news:Xns9DB5D1D2E86AAtegger(a)208.90.168.18:
>>>
>>

>>> Thanks for that. I for one can not understand why people don't post
>>> the link to the actual article
>>
>> Because I read (actually skimmed) it in the newspaper, (which I noted
>> above). What do you want?... it delivered to you on a silver
>> platter?... Have you seen the price of silver lately?

>>
> Well, stating the paper is rarely if ever the same as a link - simply
> because there can be hundreds of articles on an online edition.


You've never heard of "exact phrase search"? Then buy the newspaper (that I
cited) for Christ sakes. Can't buy the paper because it's now old? Go to
the local library.


>
>> When I saw "AUDI"... oh well there it is... "Pedal Confusion", which I
>> have been suspecting for 8 months.
>>
>> "Pedal Confusion" is well known to the insurance industry and to
>> automotive engineers. Search the archives of Car and Driver magazine
>> for more info on "Pedal Confusion". They wrote articles about the Audi
>> fiasco 25 to 35 years ago. That's when I learned about "Pedal
>> Confusion". There is an important component that goes along "Pedal
>> confusion"... it's called "panic".
>>
> Along with borderline driver competence.


Did you search the C+D archives for the articles?


>
>>> as opposed to some abbreviated form on some
>>> questionable source as I often see. So it comes down to people who
>>> aren't competent drivers "doing themselves in" and then suing (one
>>> would hope unsucessfully) for their mistake. Lovely. Perhaps all new
>>> drivers should be required to use a mandatory standard transmission
>>> for their first 5 years of driving.
>>
>> And demonstrate competence in a technique called "heel and toeing".
>>
>>
>> Search "Bob Bondurant" for more info re "heel and toeing", if
>> necessary.
>>
> I'm well aware of what it is - I'm a F1 fan


I said "if necessary".



> - in your city BTW.


My city? You don't know what city I live in (or town, or village, or
country, etc.). You see a domain and you assume the person lives in the
area of the domain location. Do you assume everyone with a Gmail domain
lives down the road from Google in Mountain View California?



> I live in
> Ottawa as well.


Ottawa, Ohio? Ottawa, Illinois? Ottawa, Kansas? Ottawa, Michigan? Ottawa,
Iowa?


> The best example IMHO is during the Monaco race in the
> movie Grand Prix.


Ya... but have you ever done it? Can you 'left foot brake' a manual
transmission front wheel drive car?


>
>
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From: chuckcar on
cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in
news:i1qvo8$7uq$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca:

> chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes:
>> cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in
>> news:i1o5n4$ku3$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca:


Big snip.
>
> Ya... but have you ever done it? Can you 'left foot brake' a manual
> transmission front wheel drive car?
>
>
>>
Fine, be an ahole. However I *know* what national capital freenet is jerk.

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From: cuhulin on
There sure are a lot of 'confused drivers' out there.
cuhulin