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From: chuckcar on 15 Jul 2010 22:27 cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in news:i1o5n4$ku3$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca: > chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes: >> Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in >> news:Xns9DB5D1D2E86AAtegger(a)208.90.168.18: >> > >> Thanks for that. I for one can not understand why people don't post >> the link to the actual article > > Because I read (actually skimmed) it in the newspaper, (which I noted > above). What do you want?... it delivered to you on a silver > platter?... Have you seen the price of silver lately? > Well, stating the paper is rarely if ever the same as a link - simply because there can be hundreds of articles on an online edition. > When I saw "AUDI"... oh well there it is... "Pedal Confusion", which I > have been suspecting for 8 months. > > "Pedal Confusion" is well known to the insurance industry and to > automotive engineers. Search the archives of Car and Driver magazine > for more info on "Pedal Confusion". They wrote articles about the Audi > fiasco 25 to 35 years ago. That's when I learned about "Pedal > Confusion". There is an important component that goes along "Pedal > confusion"... it's called "panic". > Along with borderline driver competence. >> as opposed to some abbreviated form on some >> questionable source as I often see. So it comes down to people who >> aren't competent drivers "doing themselves in" and then suing (one >> would hope unsucessfully) for their mistake. Lovely. Perhaps all new >> drivers should be required to use a mandatory standard transmission >> for their first 5 years of driving. > > And demonstrate competence in a technique called "heel and toeing". > > > Search "Bob Bondurant" for more info re "heel and toeing", if > necessary. > I'm well aware of what it is - I'm a F1 fan - in your city BTW. I live in Ottawa as well. The best example IMHO is during the Monaco race in the movie Grand Prix. -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: chuckcar on 15 Jul 2010 22:27 ben91932 <benteaches(a)gmail.com> wrote in news:c80493cf-0fab-40ab-bab3-bac1ee0f15d4(a)x1g2000prc.googlegroups.com: > On Jul 14, 4:23�pm, cf...(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote: >> 'U.S. finds driver error in some Toyota crashes' > >> U.S. DOT re 'sudden acceleration' (Toyotas) at time of crash >> 'throttles wide open and brakes were not engaged.' 'findings don't >> exonerate Toyota from known issues of sticky pedals and floor mat >> problems.' >> >> 'findings are consistent with 1989 study of sudden acceleration >> involving Audi 5000 sedans.' >> >> Pedal Confusion... a phrase beget by the Audi fiasco. > > Wrong pedal apply probably explains alot of the issues. I just wonder > if the throttle pedal/sensor recall is going to fix the rest. I am > convinced and certain that the wreck involving the CHP guy was not a > wrong pedal deal. I don't know about that. There was quite a bit not there with them if you follow me. -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: M.A. Stewart on 16 Jul 2010 21:07 chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes: > cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in > news:i1o5n4$ku3$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca: > >> chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes: >>> Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in >>> news:Xns9DB5D1D2E86AAtegger(a)208.90.168.18: >>> >> >>> Thanks for that. I for one can not understand why people don't post >>> the link to the actual article >> >> Because I read (actually skimmed) it in the newspaper, (which I noted >> above). What do you want?... it delivered to you on a silver >> platter?... Have you seen the price of silver lately? >> > Well, stating the paper is rarely if ever the same as a link - simply > because there can be hundreds of articles on an online edition. You've never heard of "exact phrase search"? Then buy the newspaper (that I cited) for Christ sakes. Can't buy the paper because it's now old? Go to the local library. > >> When I saw "AUDI"... oh well there it is... "Pedal Confusion", which I >> have been suspecting for 8 months. >> >> "Pedal Confusion" is well known to the insurance industry and to >> automotive engineers. Search the archives of Car and Driver magazine >> for more info on "Pedal Confusion". They wrote articles about the Audi >> fiasco 25 to 35 years ago. That's when I learned about "Pedal >> Confusion". There is an important component that goes along "Pedal >> confusion"... it's called "panic". >> > Along with borderline driver competence. Did you search the C+D archives for the articles? > >>> as opposed to some abbreviated form on some >>> questionable source as I often see. So it comes down to people who >>> aren't competent drivers "doing themselves in" and then suing (one >>> would hope unsucessfully) for their mistake. Lovely. Perhaps all new >>> drivers should be required to use a mandatory standard transmission >>> for their first 5 years of driving. >> >> And demonstrate competence in a technique called "heel and toeing". >> >> >> Search "Bob Bondurant" for more info re "heel and toeing", if >> necessary. >> > I'm well aware of what it is - I'm a F1 fan I said "if necessary". > - in your city BTW. My city? You don't know what city I live in (or town, or village, or country, etc.). You see a domain and you assume the person lives in the area of the domain location. Do you assume everyone with a Gmail domain lives down the road from Google in Mountain View California? > I live in > Ottawa as well. Ottawa, Ohio? Ottawa, Illinois? Ottawa, Kansas? Ottawa, Michigan? Ottawa, Iowa? > The best example IMHO is during the Monaco race in the > movie Grand Prix. Ya... but have you ever done it? Can you 'left foot brake' a manual transmission front wheel drive car? > > > -- > (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: chuckcar on 16 Jul 2010 22:18 cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in news:i1qvo8$7uq$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca: > chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes: >> cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in >> news:i1o5n4$ku3$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca: Big snip. > > Ya... but have you ever done it? Can you 'left foot brake' a manual > transmission front wheel drive car? > > >> Fine, be an ahole. However I *know* what national capital freenet is jerk. -- (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: cuhulin on 19 Jul 2010 08:54
There sure are a lot of 'confused drivers' out there. cuhulin |