From: M.A. Stewart on


'U.S. finds driver error in some Toyota crashes'

The Globe And Mail,
Report On Business,
(from Wall Street Journal staff),
Wed. July 14/2010


U.S. DOT re 'sudden acceleration' (Toyotas) at time of crash 'throttles
wide open and brakes were not engaged.' 'findings don't exonerate Toyota
from known issues of sticky pedals and floor mat problems.'

'findings are consistent with 1989 study of sudden acceleration involving
Audi 5000 sedans.'

Pedal Confusion... a phrase beget by the Audi fiasco.



From: Tegger on
cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in news:i1lgu2$brd$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca:

>
>
> 'U.S. finds driver error in some Toyota crashes'
>
> The Globe And Mail,
> Report On Business,
> (from Wall Street Journal staff),
> Wed. July 14/2010
>
>
> U.S. DOT re 'sudden acceleration' (Toyotas) at time of crash 'throttles
> wide open and brakes were not engaged.' 'findings don't exonerate Toyota
> from known issues of sticky pedals and floor mat problems.'
>
> 'findings are consistent with 1989 study of sudden acceleration involving
> Audi 5000 sedans.'
>
> Pedal Confusion... a phrase beget by the Audi fiasco.
>
>
>
>


A direct link to a WSJ article on this subject:
<http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435744.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection>

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Tegger
From: chuckcar on
Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in
news:Xns9DB5D1D2E86AAtegger(a)208.90.168.18:

> cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in
> news:i1lgu2$brd$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca:
>
>>
>>
>> 'U.S. finds driver error in some Toyota crashes'
>>
>> The Globe And Mail,
>> Report On Business,
>> (from Wall Street Journal staff),
>> Wed. July 14/2010
>>
>>
>> U.S. DOT re 'sudden acceleration' (Toyotas) at time of crash
>> 'throttles wide open and brakes were not engaged.' 'findings don't
>> exonerate Toyota from known issues of sticky pedals and floor mat
>> problems.'
>>
>> 'findings are consistent with 1989 study of sudden acceleration
>> involving Audi 5000 sedans.'
>>
>> Pedal Confusion... a phrase beget by the Audi fiasco.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> A direct link to a WSJ article on this subject:
> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435
> 744.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection>
>
Thanks for that. I for one can not understand why people don't post the
link to the actual article as opposed to some abbreviated form on some
questionable source as I often see. So it comes down to people who aren't
competent drivers "doing themselves in" and then suing (one would hope
unsucessfully) for their mistake. Lovely. Perhaps all new drivers should be
required to use a mandatory standard transmission for their first 5 years
of driving.




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(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: M.A. Stewart on
chuckcar (chuck(a)nil.car) writes:
> Tegger <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in
> news:Xns9DB5D1D2E86AAtegger(a)208.90.168.18:
>
>> cf005(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote in
>> news:i1lgu2$brd$1(a)theodyn.ncf.ca:
>>
>>>
>>>

>>> 'U.S. finds driver error in some Toyota crashes'
>>>
>>> The Globe And Mail,
>>> Report On Business,
>>> (from Wall Street Journal staff),
>>> Wed. July 14/2010
>>>
>>>
>>> U.S. DOT re 'sudden acceleration' (Toyotas) at time of crash
>>> 'throttles wide open and brakes were not engaged.' 'findings don't
>>> exonerate Toyota from known issues of sticky pedals and floor mat
>>> problems.'
>>>
>>> 'findings are consistent with 1989 study of sudden acceleration
>>> involving Audi 5000 sedans.'
>>>
>>> Pedal Confusion... a phrase beget by the Audi fiasco.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>> A direct link to a WSJ article on this subject:
>> <http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435
>> 744.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection>
>>

> Thanks for that. I for one can not understand why people don't post the
> link to the actual article


Because I read (actually skimmed) it in the newspaper, (which I noted
above). What do you want?... it delivered to you on a silver platter?...
Have you seen the price of silver lately?

When I saw "AUDI"... oh well there it is... "Pedal Confusion", which I
have been suspecting for 8 months.

"Pedal Confusion" is well known to the insurance industry and to automotive
engineers. Search the archives of Car and Driver magazine for more info
on "Pedal Confusion". They wrote articles about the Audi fiasco 25 to 35
years ago. That's when I learned about "Pedal Confusion". There is an
important component that goes along "Pedal confusion"... it's called "panic".



> as opposed to some abbreviated form on some
> questionable source as I often see. So it comes down to people who aren't
> competent drivers "doing themselves in" and then suing (one would hope
> unsucessfully) for their mistake. Lovely. Perhaps all new drivers should be
> required to use a mandatory standard transmission for their first 5 years
> of driving.

And demonstrate competence in a technique called "heel and toeing".

Search "Bob Bondurant" for more info re "heel and toeing", if necessary.



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>
>
>
> --
> (setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )


From: ben91932 on
On Jul 14, 4:23 pm, cf...(a)FreeNet.Carleton.CA (M.A. Stewart) wrote:
> 'U.S. finds driver error in some Toyota crashes'

> U.S. DOT re 'sudden acceleration' (Toyotas) at time of crash 'throttles
> wide open and brakes were not engaged.' 'findings don't exonerate Toyota
> from known issues of sticky pedals and floor mat problems.'
>
> 'findings are consistent with 1989 study of sudden acceleration involving
> Audi 5000 sedans.'
>
> Pedal Confusion... a phrase beget by the Audi fiasco.

Wrong pedal apply probably explains alot of the issues. I just wonder
if the throttle pedal/sensor recall is going to fix the rest. I am
convinced and certain that the wreck involving the CHP guy was not a
wrong pedal deal.
Ben