Toyota safety crisis prompts 'black box' plan for new cars and lorries
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From: lil abner on 30 Apr 2010 18:07 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270042/Toyota-safety-crisis-prompts-black-box-plan-new-cars-lorries.html
From: Larry G on 30 Apr 2010 22:31 On Apr 30, 6:07 pm, lil abner <@daisey.mae> wrote: > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270042/Toyota-safe... black boxes in each new car? I bet all both the manufacturers and customers are going to like that idea - not! cell phone call to state police: "license plate xyz123 was weaving in and out of traffic bullying others" the idiot driving xyz123 is pulled over and given a ticket for being an idiot. The trooper "downloads" the contents of the back box as part of the ticket writing procedure... "idiot" knows he's caught like a rat in a trap.. will pay the fine, get the traffic points, gets put on probation and loses his insurance.... woe is him.
From: Larry G on 1 May 2010 05:59 On May 1, 12:10 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Last time on rec.autos.driving, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> said: > > >On Apr 30, 6:07 pm, lil abner <@daisey.mae> wrote: > >>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270042/Toyota-safe.... > > >black boxes in each new car? I bet all both the manufacturers and > >customers are going to like that idea - not! > > They're certainly not going to appreciate the additional CO$T. well... they're sort of like air bags and security cameras, right? would you willingly pay $1000 extra "up front" for air bags if it saved you $2000 in insurance premium costs? some would and as we know, others would go "bare" - right? when the govt and/or the insurance industry totals up ALL the costs for ALL incidents and determines that a required safety device costs will be less than all the totaled costs without it - we get ...regulation..right? I wonder how many of the anti-govt people would advocate that seat belts and air bags be optional accessories? but I digress... back to the black box I wonder how many airline pilots DON'T do stupid stuff BECAUSE this IS a BLACK box on board? I wonder how many fleet truck drivers similarly behave themselves when their truck is instrumented with event recorders an GPS tracking? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder these things are already here and in use in a wide variety of existing activities. so.. the question is.. can you conceived of the govt making them a standardized mandatory thing like seat belts and air bags? I can but it would surely result in more govt.. right?
From: Nate Nagel on 1 May 2010 10:20 On 05/01/2010 09:47 AM, John Lansford wrote: > Larry G<gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On May 1, 12:10 am, Scott in SoCal<scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Last time on rec.autos.driving, Larry G<gross.la...(a)gmail.com> said: >>> >>>> On Apr 30, 6:07 pm, lil abner<@daisey.mae> wrote: >>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270042/Toyota-safe... >>> >>>> black boxes in each new car? I bet all both the manufacturers and >>>> customers are going to like that idea - not! >>> >>> They're certainly not going to appreciate the additional CO$T. >> >> well... they're sort of like air bags and security cameras, right? >> >> would you willingly pay $1000 extra "up front" for air bags if it >> saved you $2000 in insurance premium costs? >> >> some would and as we know, others would go "bare" - right? >> >> when the govt and/or the insurance industry totals up ALL the costs >> for ALL incidents and determines that a required safety device costs >> will be less than all the totaled costs without it - we >> get ...regulation..right? >> >> I wonder how many of the anti-govt people would advocate that seat >> belts and air bags be optional accessories? >> >> but I digress... back to the black box >> >> I wonder how many airline pilots DON'T do stupid stuff BECAUSE this IS >> a BLACK box on board? >> >> I wonder how many fleet truck drivers similarly behave themselves when >> their truck is instrumented with event recorders an GPS tracking? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_data_recorder >> >> these things are already here and in use in a wide variety of existing >> activities. >> >> so.. the question is.. can you conceived of the govt making them a >> standardized mandatory thing like seat belts and air bags? >> >> I can but it would surely result in more govt.. right? > > I don't recall my car insurance going down just because I bought one > with airbags. In fact, it's been rising steadily despite neither my > wife or me having any traffic violations. If these cars are safer, > why doesn't the insurance go down? > > John Lansford, PE > -- > John's Shop of Wood > http://wood.jlansford.net/ It's all about location. My car insurance was cut in half when I moved from PG county MD to NoVA. The car itself, once you reach a certain age, seems to be more or less irrelevant. Of course, the actuaries have a point, as the only time I ever made a claim was when my car was hit while parked... in front of my house in PG county. nate
From: Harry K on 1 May 2010 12:07
On Apr 30, 9:10 pm, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Last time on rec.autos.driving, Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> said: > > >On Apr 30, 6:07 pm, lil abner <@daisey.mae> wrote: > >>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1270042/Toyota-safe.... > > >black boxes in each new car? I bet all both the manufacturers and > >customers are going to like that idea - not! > > They're certainly not going to appreciate the additional CO$T. > -- > The MFFY Litmus Test: > If your maneuver forces another driver who has the right-of-way > to alter course or speed, what you did was probably MFFY. Customers maybe, manufacturers won't care - that cost is paid by the consumer. Harry K |