From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 10:34 "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2(a)lycos,com> wrote in news:4b6eca6e$0$23009$ce5e7886(a)news-radius.ptd.net: > > > Perhaps in the US, but you neglected to point out that Toyota world > wide total number of recalls for their "defects" is 5.4 MILLION, > involving over 20 deaths and an untold number of injuries. > I thought it was 8.1 million. And that "20 deaths" figure has not yet been investigated to determine whether or not these are normal "pedal misapplication" or pedal malfunction. So far, the US governemnt officially recognizes 5 deaths, 4 of them involving a single incident (San Diego cop). And that wasn't even Toyota's fault, but the fault of the cop and the dealer. That leaves 1 death, versus over 42,000 total traffic deaths each year in the US alone. One death is one death too many, but it's hardly an epidemic for which Toyota should be hung from the nearest tree. -- Tegger
From: Clive on 8 Feb 2010 10:48 In message <m3gum5dupa9ihbma5dpjen6bk6kitce5c4(a)4ax.com>, Ashton Crusher <demi(a)moore.net> writes >2500 accidents, 12 deaths, or something like that. Despite the total recall of 8 Toyota models throughout Europe there have only be four accidents sighted and no deaths, and Europe is much denser in population that any part of America that I've ever been to. -- Clive
From: Tegger on 8 Feb 2010 12:15 "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in news:hkpea5$bf8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > > "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message > news:Xns9D178DBBAE4DBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >> SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6d0234$0$1621 >> $742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net: >> >>> It's pretty rare for _any_ >>> car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing >>> complexity of vehicles. >>> >> >> >> The NHTSA currently has 40 "defect" investigations going. >> >> 3 cover Toyota. >> >> 37 cover other automakers. > > This is a creative (Toyota-like) distrotion of the actual facts. > > I am not even sure where you are getting the number "40" for > "investigations going..." I read it in the paper the other day. That's what the reporter said. -- Tegger
From: Ed White on 8 Feb 2010 15:24 On Feb 7, 10:47 am, Hachiroku ハチロク <Tru...(a)e86.GTS> wrote: > On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:30:47 -0500, Mike Hunter wrote: > > (Cross postings deleted, automatically) > > > Get real! No manufacturer has ever had any government required > > recall(s) that total as many as are currently being recalled by Toyota. > > Certainly not nearly as many that involve this many deaths and untold > > numbers of injuries > > Really? This is the 5th largest recall of all time. > > Better google Ford Transmission Recall. THey got out of it by sending you > an orange sticker to put on your dash that said "WARNING! This Motor > Vehicle may go from Park to Reverse at anytime without warning. Do not > leave vehicle idling." Your wording is a little off, but the gist is correct. I think it said "apply the parkig brake if you leave your car idling" or something like that. It dfinitely didn't say the cars were prone to jumping out of park. My parents had Fords during that period and I remember the stickers coming in the mail. We tossed them out since we never had any problems with the transmissions jumping out of park and I don't know wanyone else who did either, but I am from a flat part of the country. I assume almost all of your text was copied from the Center for Auto Safety, a trail lawyer sposored site. They have a vested interest in trumping up defects. Just imagine what CAS will have to say about Toyotas.......Get back to me in a year and tell me how fair they treated Toyota over this concern. Then think about fair they were to Ford back in the 80's. I bet if it had been Toyotas that were alleged to jump out of park, you would have been sure it was the Customer's fault. Ed
From: C. E. White on 8 Feb 2010 19:14
"Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9D197C9CC43D5tegger(a)208.90.168.18... > "C. E. White" <cewhite3(a)mindspring.com> wrote in > news:hkpea5$bf8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org: > >> >> "Tegger" <invalid(a)invalid.inv> wrote in message >> news:Xns9D178DBBAE4DBtegger(a)208.90.168.18... >>> SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote in news:4b6d0234$0$1621 >>> $742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net: >>> >>>> It's pretty rare for _any_ >>>> car to not have at least a couple of recalls with the increasing >>>> complexity of vehicles. >>>> >>> >>> >>> The NHTSA currently has 40 "defect" investigations going. >>> >>> 3 cover Toyota. >>> >>> 37 cover other automakers. >> >> This is a creative (Toyota-like) distrotion of the actual facts. >> >> I am not even sure where you are getting the number "40" for >> "investigations going..." > > > > I read it in the paper the other day. That's what the reporter said. It is easy enough to verify that what I am saying is correct. http://nhthqnwws112.odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/docservlet/Artemis/Public/Pursuits/2010/INVMTY-012010-1234.pdf Given the state of journalism today, what you read in the paper is about as credible as a Mike Hunter post. Ed |