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From: Brent on 1 May 2010 18:13 On 2010-05-01, Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 30, 8:24�am, Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 2010-04-30, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Last time on rec.autos.driving, Patrick Scheible <k...(a)zipcon.net> >> > said: >> >> >>Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> writes: >> >> >>> On 2010-04-29, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> > Last time on rec.autos.driving, Alan Baker <alangba...(a)telus.net> >> >>> > said: >> >> >>> >>Everywhere I've ever driven, advisory limits have been set too low for >> >>> >>typical passenger vehicles under good driving conditions... >> >> >>> >>...except... >> >> >>> >>...every now and then you find one that is set approximately correctly. >> >> >>> >>And at that point, you're suddenly in trouble, because in your head >> >>> >>you've assumed it will be like all the others. >> >> >>> > You're only in trouble if you're an incompetent driver. People who >> >>> > actually know how to drive can judge the appropriate speed for a curve >> >>> > with an incorrect sign or even no sign at all. >> >> >>> sometimes you can't quite see what sort of curve it is where the first >> >>> sign is posted so when the sign is there you use it. If the sign is >> >>> misleading by not being like the others, then some hard braking might be >> >>> needed when the curve comes into view such that it can be read well. >> >> >>Exactly. �There's a right angle corner that could be taken at 20 mph >> >>near hear, but it's signed for 15 mainly because hedges obscure the >> >>view around it and traffic is often backed up to just past the corner. >> >> > A competent driver never overdrives his sight lines; hence even this >> > warning sign is superfluous to the competent. >> >> You've never encountered a curve that you could clearly see had no >> obstructions within your braking distance but looked like it could be >> taken faster until up close to it? �Being able to brake down to the >> slower speed is not out driving the sight lines, but a misleading sign >> is still a misleading sign. If you're saying we shouldn't trust the >> signs, then all the signs should be removed. > > the signs are necessary for the segment of the population that needs > them - unfortunately. You mean the segment that can't see over blind hills and around blind corners? > signs are little more than something put up by another human being who > may or may not be an engineer and even if an engineer may or may not > have his/her act together. It's nice to know what is beyond what can be seen. However there is a children's story called "The Boy who cried Wolf" or something like that.
From: The Chief Instigator on 3 May 2010 20:01 On Sat, 1 May 2010 14:59:33 -0700 (PDT), Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 29, 11:24?pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...(a)io.com> wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:05:16 -0700, Peter Lawrence <hummb...(a)aol.com> wrote: >> > On 4/29/10 2:52 AM, Alan Baker wrote: >> >> In article<hras8j$op...(a)news.eternal-september.org>, >> >> ? Peter Lawrence<hummb...(a)aol.com> ?wrote: >> >>> On 4/28/10 6:35 PM, Alan Baker wrote: >> >> >>>> It wouldn't matter than advisory limits are set too low if they were >> >>>> always set too low by the same proportion. The trouble comes when you >> >>>> occasionally encounter one that is actually indicating what speed you >> >>>> really need to be driving. >> >> >>> But in California (and I've driving all over California), I've never ran >> >>> into that problem. ?All that advisory signs have been set consistently too >> >>> low, IMHO. ?Again, I don't know about other states (or provinces), but in >> >>> California they have always been on the low side, consistently. >> >> >> Everywhere I've ever driven, advisory limits have been set too low for >> >> typical passenger vehicles under good driving conditions... >> >> >> ...except... >> >> >> ...every now and then you find one that is set approximately correctly. >> >> >> And at that point, you're suddenly in trouble, because in your head >> >> you've assumed it will be like all the others. >> >> > Except that's a straw man argument in regards to California, because in >> > all my years of driving in California, from the Oregon border down to >> > the Mexican border, from the Pacific, through Central Valley and the >> > Sierras and in the desert, not once have I encountered an advisory sign >> > where I couldn't take the curve *easily* at 30% above the advisory >> > speed. ?Not once. >> >> > - Peter >> >> Try crossing Black Mountain on KY/VA 160...there are more than a few curves >> posted at 40 or 50 MPH, and 35 at one 190? curve about a third of the way >> down (eastward) on the Virginia side. > > yup... I've seen advisory speeds higher than I like on some roads..but > not freeways True...freeways are built for speed, and there's a lot of effort building them in the Appalachian states. (At least there are none with a 190� curve in a much shorter radius that Kentucky and Virginia allow on two-lane state roads, for obvious reasons.) -- Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick(a)prismnet.com) Houston, Texas www.prismnet.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2009-10 Houston Aeros) AA#2273 LAST GAME: San Antonio 3, Houston 2 (April 11) NEXT GAME: The 2010-11 opener, in October 2010
From: The Real Bev on 3 May 2010 21:55 The Chief Instigator wrote: > On Sat, 1 May 2010 14:59:33 -0700 (PDT), Larry G <gross.larry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Apr 29, 11:24?pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...(a)io.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Except that's a straw man argument in regards to California, because in >>> > all my years of driving in California, from the Oregon border down to >>> > the Mexican border, from the Pacific, through Central Valley and the >>> > Sierras and in the desert, not once have I encountered an advisory sign >>> > where I couldn't take the curve *easily* at 30% above the advisory >>> > speed. ?Not once. >>> >>> Try crossing Black Mountain on KY/VA 160...there are more than a few curves >>> posted at 40 or 50 MPH, and 35 at one 190? curve about a third of the way >>> down (eastward) on the Virginia side. Maryland was the first state I drove in with realistic advisory limits. Everybody else suggests speeds more appropriate to large motorhomes, possibly towing cars. -- Cheers, Bev --------------------------------------------- "The primary purpose of any government entity is to employ the unemployable."
From: jgar the jorrible on 4 May 2010 12:17
On May 3, 6:55 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The Chief Instigator wrote: > > On Sat, 1 May 2010 14:59:33 -0700 (PDT), Larry G <gross.la...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Apr 29, 11:24?pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...(a)io.com> wrote: > > >>> > Except that's a straw man argument in regards to California, because in > >>> > all my years of driving in California, from the Oregon border down to > >>> > the Mexican border, from the Pacific, through Central Valley and the > >>> > Sierras and in the desert, not once have I encountered an advisory sign > >>> > where I couldn't take the curve *easily* at 30% above the advisory > >>> > speed. ?Not once. > > >>> Try crossing Black Mountain on KY/VA 160...there are more than a few curves > >>> posted at 40 or 50 MPH, and 35 at one 190? curve about a third of the way > >>> down (eastward) on the Virginia side. > > Maryland was the first state I drove in with realistic advisory limits. > Everybody else suggests speeds more appropriate to large motorhomes, possibly > towing cars. Isn't that appropriate, seriously? jg -- @home.com is bogus. "...a whole herd of Winnebagos! We're giving them away!" - The Tubes (heard it again last Saturday on satradio, my kid appreciated it, though he didn't get a lot of the references. Now he understands why I say that sometimes.) |