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From: Bill Murphy on 20 Jul 2010 22:04 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:56:49 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote: > First are you using legal explosion proof container to increase safety > margin? Do you smell gas when your car is parked in the garage? To answer your question, I never smell fumes. I'm using those CARB EPA Blitz gasoline prisons. The gas has been tested to not lose an ounce (they test loss by weight) even after a year in the sun. The article referenced says it's safe to store small amounts of gasoline in the garage or other well ventilated shelter. It doesn't say anything about transport. Any ideas what the laws are on transport?
From: Elmo on 20 Jul 2010 22:10 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:48:27 -1000, dsi1 wrote: > Buy an old Caddie or two, fill up the tanks and park it in your back > yard along with your bikes and off-road vehicles In theory, one could remove the 20-gallon gas tank from an automobile junker, and, assuming all the hoses and caps are intact, store 20 gallons in the single gas tank unobtrusively along that fence. Pouring it out would be by adding 12 volts to the fuel pump, I guess. But I'd wonder about the legality of storing gas in a gas tank. Seems like that's what it's made for, but, maybe not legal outside the vehicle.
From: Ed Pawlowski on 20 Jul 2010 22:27 "Bill Murphy" <billmurphy(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:i25klu$6aq$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:56:49 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote: >> First are you using legal explosion proof container to increase safety >> margin? Do you smell gas when your car is parked in the garage? > > To answer your question, I never smell fumes. I'm using those CARB EPA > Blitz gasoline prisons. The gas has been tested to not lose an ounce (they > test loss by weight) even after a year in the sun. > > The article referenced says it's safe to store small amounts of gasoline > in > the garage or other well ventilated shelter. > > It doesn't say anything about transport. > > Any ideas what the laws are on transport? Your state or local laws may vary <http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eopsterminal&L=8&L0=Home&L1=Public+Safety+Agencies&L2=Massachusetts+Department+of+Fire+Services&L3=Department+of+Fire+Services&L4=Office+of+the+State+Fire+Marshal&L5=Fire+Prevention&L6=Office+of+the+State+Fire+Marshal+Advisories&L7=2005+Advisories&sid=Eeops&b=terminalcontent&f=dfs_osfm_fire_prevention_adv_av_gas_transportation&csid=Eeops> From: Stephen D. Coan, State Fire Marshal We are receiving many calls in our office with regard to the transportation of gasoline in vehicles and whether the use of a "gas-caddy" is legal in the Commonwealth. As a result of these calls, I am issuing this information. In accordance with 527 CMR 8.21(5), .gasoline or other flammable petroleum product may be transported without a permit in any open vehicle or in a compartment of a closed vehicle separated from passengers, in total quantity not to exceed 21 gallons, provided such flammable liquid is contained in approved containers with no individual container exceeding seven gallons capacity. We request that this information be shared with gas stations in your area. Further, the use of "gas-caddys" for the transportation of gasoline and/or diesel fuel is not allowed in the Commonwealth. The use of "gas-caddys" is confined to on-site storage at permitted locations New York State Safety Bulletin Index - Transporting Gasoline and Diesel Fuel (Code: SB-96-2, Date: 6/10/96) Transportation of fuel shall be accomplished by portable fuel cans with a maximum capacity of 5 gallons each, or cargo fuel tanks. All containers shall be properly labeled. Gasoline shall only be transported in approved 5 gallon portable gas cans, with a limit of four (4) cans per vehicle. Portable five (5) gallon cans transported on any Department vehicle or equipment shall be fastened in a vented box, or lashed to the body of the vehicle with web straps, using eyebolts through the side of the body backed up by a 3 inch x 3 inch x 3/16 inch steel backing plate. There shall be two eyebolt anchor points for each can. Only steel or aluminum Type I or Type II safety cans shall be used to transport gasoline.
From: Steve B on 20 Jul 2010 23:30 "Bill Murphy" <billmurphy(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:i25fcg$vjv$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >I have a typical back yard, open mostly to the sun, where I store five > 5-gallon jerry jugs of gasoline for my bikes and equipment and off-road > vehicles. > > I don't see that it's all that much of a danger, considering we keep two > cars in the garage with twice that much gasoline essentially inside the > house - while this is outside along the fence. > > But, my neighbor noticed the four jugs recently and asked about them. I > said I never knew gas to spontaneously explode and he said the sun could > cause it to happen. He also said it's illegal to transport more than a > single five-gallon can in your trunk (is that true?). > > Is it all that dangerous to keep 20 gallons of gas in the back yard? > Is it illegal to trasnsport more than 5 gallons (California) in a car? If you are referring to 5 gallon metal jerry can's, that's about all you can do for them. I would put them in the shade, though. Leaving any breather opening is an invitation for condensation from the can "breathing" by getting alternately hot and cold. I would make an effort to "hide" these from this neighbor, or move them to an area that does not abut his property. These aren't inherently dangerous or unstable, but scary. Gasoline combusts at +260C. It would be damn hard to reach that temperature. But, any spark, slight brush fire, or lightning strike could be disastrous. I was standing in a screen porch area of my house one time, and lightning hit the pecan tree out side. It came down the tree, jumped to my truck, blew off diagonal hubcaps on my truck, jumped to a cow, killing it, fried the dryer I was standing beside, and killed a TV in another room. So, I can say, after having lightning strike within 10 feet of me then and three other times in my life, **it happens. Is this spot on the fence away from structures, or out in the country, a hundred feet away from structures? Or is it in a neighborhood, close to the houses? For me, it would almost be better to keep it in the garage. And do you use enough to justify keeping 20 gallons on hand? Do you have a backup power generator that you need to keep a supply for? And what about Stabil? I know it's a hassle, but how about filling up the night before the ride? I used to poo poo the stories of gas catching fire at filling stations, then I saw videos, and then a guy two aisles over at the gas station did it. Man, was that scary. So, the guy does have some valid concerns. And if you DO have a spark and a gas fire/explosion either in your car, your yard, or in your garage, it's going to be nasty, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT MIGHT NOT BE COVERED BY YOUR INSURANCE DUE TO IMPROPER STORAGE OF HAZARDOUS MATERIALS. Whatever the hell that means. They do have fires at gas storage yards all the time in the industry, so essentially, there's no safe way to handle this stuff, and when it's your turn to have an "event", it's just your turn. You can argue all you want that they were in OSHA MSHA DOT approved containers, but the fact that there was a fire proves right there that something was not right. I wouldn't want my neighbor to put twenty gallons along my fence. Especially if it is within 100 feet of any structures of mine. **it does happen. He may be a royal PITA, but he does have somewhat of a point. And you have to live next door to him. I also personally wouldn't carry that much gas in the trunk. Too many idiots on the road, and if they rear-end you, it's going to be nasty. Or there's just a spark from the lights ............... Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com
From: Ed on 21 Jul 2010 09:37
And don't forget the possibility of the curious (or destructive) teen who comes upon these cans and decided to light a match to see what happens. |