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From: TimR on 22 Jul 2010 09:20 Actually, the possibility of a leak might be a bigger risk than any fire hazard. Your neighbor doesn't know how leak proof your containers are. You might be able to prove it to him. But think about it. If he has a well, and you drip a little gasoline into the groundwater, he just lost his water supply. Even if no well, if you contaminate the groundwater under his property, he can no longer sell his house. You're probably liable for his property loss as well as an environmental cleanup. And if you're storing your gasoline perfectly, but the guy before you dripped gasoline into the groundwater, you may have trouble proving it wasn't you. Of course that's true if you keep your gas cans in the shed too. But your neighbor won't know.
From: LM on 22 Jul 2010 09:31 On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:04:30 -0700, Steve B wrote: > But the poster seemed to say that gasoline does not > ignite during a crash for any reason. Autoignition Temperature: 833 degrees F / 444 degrees C Gulf unleaded gasoline material data sheet (MDS) http://www.gulfoil.com/files/downloads/unleadedgasoline.PDF
From: LM on 22 Jul 2010 09:49 On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 19:04:40 -0700, Bill Murphy wrote: > Any ideas what the laws are on transport? I looked on the California DOT site and searched for hours. http://www.dot.ca.gov/ Even a genius couldn't find what you're looking for on the California DOT web site.
From: Steve B on 22 Jul 2010 12:23 "LM" <xxxvte.lisa.meisnerxxx(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:i29h94$vdj$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 06:04:30 -0700, Steve B wrote: > >> But the poster seemed to say that gasoline does not >> ignite during a crash for any reason. > > Autoignition Temperature: 833 degrees F / 444 degrees C > > Gulf unleaded gasoline material data sheet (MDS) > http://www.gulfoil.com/files/downloads/unleadedgasoline.PDF And your point is? That there is no ignition source during a vehicle crash? What is the temperature from a spark from a electrical wire, a bursting tail light, or steel dragging on the pavement? Is it over 833? I would think it is less, but still, a very effective ignition source. Electrical fires after collisions are common, even if they are not the spectacular variety. There's lots of hot melting wires and sparks. No?
From: Steve B on 22 Jul 2010 12:27
"LM" <xxxvte.lisa.meisnerxxx(a)verizon.net> wrote in message news:i29gb5$ttm$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... > On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:30:14 -0700, Steve B wrote: > >> I also personally wouldn't carry that much gas in the trunk. > > OSHA regulations exerpts from > http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_id=10673&p_table=STANDARDS > > 1926.152(a)(1): Approved safety cans or Department of Transportation > approved containers shall be used for the handling and use of flammable > liquids in quantities of 5 gallons or less ... > > 1926.152(b)(1): No more than 25 gallons of flammable or combustible > liquids > shall be stored in a room outside of an approved storage cabinet ... > > 1926.152(b)(2): Quantities of flammable and combustible liquid in excess > of > 25 gallons shall be stored in an acceptable or approved cabinet meeting > the > following requirements ... > > 1926.152(b)(3): Not more than 60 gallons of flammable or 120 gallons of > combustible liquids shall be stored in any one storage cabinet. Not more > than three such cabinets may be located in a single storage area. > Quantities in excess of this shall be stored in an inside storage room. I was an associate safety professional. Yes, you may cite OSHA all day long. But you said containers of less than five gallons re: storage. What about transport? You say nothing about that. Point is, 5 gallons, 25 gallons 60 gallons (see above), any regular guy who's been around the block a couple of times knows you can get in one hell of a mess with a cup of gasoline or less. I knew two guys who had their faces altered for life with less than a cup of gas. Steve visit my blog at http://cabgbypasssurgery.com |