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From: Fred G. Mackey on 5 May 2007 02:14 � Shanghai Lil � wrote: > Gods do not exist. Not a "belief", it's a fact. > So you're an atheist - that's cool with me - don't feel ashamed about it, just don't try to distort facts and call others atheists who are not. But of course such protests help prove my point that you are just as religious as all the others who DO believe in God(s).
From: DanielSan on 5 May 2007 03:21 Fred G. Mackey wrote: > Robibnikoff wrote: > >> "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam(a)dont.spam> >> snip >> >>> That's the SECONDARY definition. I notice you left out the PRIMARY >>> definition. >> >> >> >> So? If it's wrong, it's wrong. Deal. > > > > Deal with it yourself. The accepted definition is that atheists believe > there are no gods. I do not accept that definition. I am an atheist and, therefore, can argue about its definition. > > Since you don't seem to like that defintion, you argue as if it doesn't > exist. > > That's a minor point though - atheists (as defined by most dictionaries) > believe - get that - they BELIEVE - there are no gods. No, we do not. Dictionaries are written by (and are spun by) the dictionary writers. Belief, where it comes to deities (or lack thereof) comes down to faith. Atheists, by defintion, have none. "the": Root word part, meaning "god". "theism": Belief in "god". a- : prefix meaning "lack of" or "no". Put the together and we have: atheism: lack of belief in god or no belief in god. Simple etymology. > > Instead of getting your panties in such a bunch over that definition, > you should state your beliefs. Simple. We have none where it comes to deities. > > If you admit you don't know, you are an agnostic. If you believe there > are no gods or any singel god, you are an atheist. This bullshit about > "strong" atheism vs. "weak" athesim is just a distraction. You wish. Strong atheists, such as myself, do not believe in gods and I know, for a fact, that the gods as defined by man do not exist. Weak atheists, on the other hand, just don't believe without the statement that follows. > > The fact that you and so many others got their panties in such a twist > over a simple definition of a word reveals that you are much more > dogmatic about your BELIEFS than many CHRISTIANS. Actually, we're dogmatic about one thing. And that is to make sure that idiots such as yourself are at least able to use the language that you're speaking correctly. > > You are religious - get over it. a-the-ism: "lack of"+"god"+"belief" Get over it. -- ******************************************************* * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *-----------------------------------------------------* * Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie * * who was his own father will let you live forever * * if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, * * and telepathically tell him that you accept him as * * your master, so he can remove an evil force from * * your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- * * ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made * * from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake * * to eat fruit from a magical tree. * *******************************************************
From: Fred G. Mackey on 5 May 2007 02:39 DanielSan wrote: > Fred G. Mackey wrote: > >> Robibnikoff wrote: >> >>> "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam(a)dont.spam> >>> snip >>> >>>> That's the SECONDARY definition. I notice you left out the PRIMARY >>>> definition. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> So? If it's wrong, it's wrong. Deal. >> >> >> >> >> Deal with it yourself. The accepted definition is that atheists >> believe there are no gods. > > > I do not accept that definition. Much as many loonies do not accept reality. > I am an atheist and, therefore, can > argue about its definition. > putting the cart before the horse, eh? >> >> Since you don't seem to like that defintion, you argue as if it >> doesn't exist. >> >> That's a minor point though - atheists (as defined by most >> dictionaries) believe - get that - they BELIEVE - there are no gods. > > > No, we do not. Dictionaries are written by (and are spun by) the > dictionary writers. Oh my - it's all a big conspiracy, isn't it? Those damned "dictionary writers". Do you believe they are the pilots of the black helicopters that circle your home at all hours of the day and nite too? > Belief, where it comes to deities (or lack thereof) > comes down to faith. Atheists, by defintion, have none. > Even by your definition, it does not follow that atheists "have none". > "the": Root word part, meaning "god". > "theism": Belief in "god". > a- : prefix meaning "lack of" or "no". > > Put the together and we have: > > atheism: lack of belief in god or no belief in god. > Wonderful - now study a little about language - common usage dictates definoitions. Tell us why you are so upset about this? It suggests that you are very religious about such things. > Simple etymology. > >> >> Instead of getting your panties in such a bunch over that definition, >> you should state your beliefs. > > > Simple. We have none where it comes to deities. You mean you are agnostic? In fact, it means you are less sure than agnostics as even agnostics can believe that "god" as defined by specific religions do not exist. > >> >> If you admit you don't know, you are an agnostic. If you believe >> there are no gods or any singel god, you are an atheist. This >> bullshit about "strong" atheism vs. "weak" athesim is just a distraction. > > > You wish. > Give it a name. > Strong atheists, such as myself, do not believe in gods and I know, for > a fact, that the gods as defined by man do not exist. > You could have stopped with "do not believe in gods". But if you are truly an atheist, you go beyond that and BELIEVE that god(s) do not exist. > Weak atheists, on the other hand, just don't believe without the > statement that follows. > > > >> >> The fact that you and so many others got their panties in such a twist >> over a simple definition of a word reveals that you are much more >> dogmatic about your BELIEFS than many CHRISTIANS. > > > Actually, we're dogmatic about one thing. And that is to make sure that > idiots such as yourself are at least able to use the language that > you're speaking correctly. > Right - whatever you say. It's the same attitude I take towards other relgious idiots who wish to impose their beliefs on me. How is it that you are different? Oh that's right - you're NOT. >> >> You are religious - get over it. > > > a-the-ism: "lack of"+"god"+"belief" > > Get over it. >
From: Jeckyl on 5 May 2007 03:23 "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam(a)dont.spam> wrote in message news:NNWdnZVSSbx6gqHbnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > Jeckyl wrote: > >>>That's not the atheist position. You've done a GREAT job of >>>explaining the agnostic position. >> >> >> Which is also the atheist position .. you are confusing atheist with the >> subset "strong-atheist", > > That's a crock - an atheist is an atheist. Can't argue with that. And some are only weak atheists and some are also strong atheists. > They BELIEVE there is no god of any kind. They do not BELIEVE there is a god of any kind > Your pleas only help prove my point that it IS a religion. What pleas? > If you weren't religious you would get so hyped up about it Oh .. was I hyped? > especially in the face of valid cites > which prove my position on this issue. I'm just interested in the truth. An atheist is someone who does not believe in god (or gods). >> who not only have a lack of theism (ie no belief in gods) but also a >> belief that gods to not exists. > Yep - atheists have a belief that gods do not exist. Some atheists have a belief that gods do not exist.
From: � UltraMan � on 5 May 2007 04:24
Fred G. Mackey wrote: > Jeckyl wrote: > >>> That's not the atheist position. You've done a GREAT job of >>> explaining the agnostic position. >> >> >> Which is also the atheist position .. you are confusing atheist with >> the subset "strong-atheist", > > That's a crock - an atheist is an atheist. They BELIEVE there is no > god of any kind. Nope. The DO NOT BELIEVE in any god(s). > > Your pleas only help prove my point that it IS a religion. So not-believing is a religion? > If you weren't religious you would get so hyped up about it, especially in > the face of valid cites which prove my position on this issue. What cites are those? > > > > >> who not only have a lack of theism (ie no belief in >> gods) but also a belief that gods to not exists. >> >> > > > Yep - atheists have a belief that gods do not exist. Nope, A-theists lack belief in any god(s). The very word means WITHOUT GOD. |