From: Fred G. Mackey on
Kent Wills wrote:
> As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 03:14:47 +1000, "Jeckyl"
> <noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>>_ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof(a)jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque
>>>>>perverted superstition that you call christianity is
>>>>>utterly false.
>>
>>Please present this proof.
>>
>
>
> I've been asking for proof that atheism is correct for a very
> long time. To date, no one has been able.
> Jonez claims he's proved it. Odd that NO ONE else is aware of
> this proof. I expect it only exists inside his own mind.
>

Mind?

You give him far too much credit.
From: Fred G. Mackey on
Jeckyl wrote:
> "Kent Wills" <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:hatk331kpodcvs6mel0a1gmeklc6rq8qo8(a)4ax.com...
>
>>As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 03:14:47 +1000, "Jeckyl"
>><noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>_ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof(a)jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque
>>>>>>perverted superstition that you call christianity is
>>>>>>utterly false.
>>>
>>>Please present this proof.
>>>
>>
>>I've been asking for proof that atheism is correct for a very
>>long time.
>
>
> Easy ..
>
> The theist position is to know that god exists
> The atheist position is to not know that god exists
> There is no proof that god exists
> We cannot conclude that god exists or does not exist
> Gods existance is unknown
> The atheist position is correct
>
>
That's not a proof.

Furthermore, the most widley accepted definition of atheism (as well as
the primary one listed by dictionaries) is that it is the belief that
there are no gods - NOT that it is a synonym with agnosticism.


Note that it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be
a member of any OTHER religion, organized or not.
From: Fred G. Mackey on
sheeptramp(a)yahoo.com wrote:
> On May 2, 8:45 pm, Harley Sullivan <cheye...(a)social.club> wrote:
>

>
>
> ..and this would be of interest to readers of alt.fan.bob-larson
> because.............?
>

Because you bothered to respond to a troll, trolling a troll
From: Jeckyl on
"Fred G. Mackey" <nospam(a)dont.spam> wrote in message
news:vrSdnW0ImsD7D6fbnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d(a)comcast.com...
> Uncle Vic wrote:
>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote:
>>
>>> Kent Wills wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where's the proof that atheism is correct? Why do you run and
>>>> hide when I ask about it?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> (Piggybacking)
>>
>> Atheism is the neutral position. Atheists make no positive claims.
>
> They positively state that there are no gods.

Incorrect. Only a subset of atheists do that (stong atheism or radical
atheism). All an atheist needs is a lack of belief in god. As soon as
there is any doubt, you are an atheist.

see http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/strong_weak.htm
http://www.strongatheism.net/faq/#F1

> Atheism is a religion, just as sure as Christianity is.

No .. it is not. Strong atheism _might_ be able to be called a religion,
depending on your defintition of what is it. In the loose sense it can be
any system of ethics, values, and belief. As weak atheism has no belief and
does not put forward any particular code of ethics or values, its not a
religion. Strong atheism has the belief that god(s) does not exist, but
agan, no code of ehtics or values. So no, it would not be a religion in any
useful sense of the word.

>> Where is your proof the any religion is correct?
> There is none - where is your proof that there are no gods?

Atheists don't need one .. all they need is for there to be no proof that
there are gods .. and that justifies their position completely.


From: � UltraMan � on
Fred G. Mackey wrote:
> Jeckyl wrote:
>> "Kent Wills" <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:hatk331kpodcvs6mel0a1gmeklc6rq8qo8(a)4ax.com...
>>
>>> As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 03:14:47 +1000, "Jeckyl"
>>> <noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof(a)jonez.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque
>>>>>>> perverted superstition that you call christianity is
>>>>>>> utterly false.
>>>>
>>>> Please present this proof.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've been asking for proof that atheism is correct for a very
>>> long time.
>>
>>
>> Easy ..
>>
>> The theist position is to know that god exists
>> The atheist position is to not know that god exists
>> There is no proof that god exists
>> We cannot conclude that god exists or does not exist
>> Gods existance is unknown
>> The atheist position is correct
>>
>>
> That's not a proof.
>
> Furthermore, the most widley accepted definition of atheism (as well
> as the primary one listed by dictionaries) is that it is the belief
> that there are no gods -

Wrong! A-theism is a LACK of Belief, not a belief in lack.

>NOT that it is a synonym with agnosticism.

Correct.

>
>
> Note that it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to
> be a member of any OTHER religion, organized or not.

Only in your perverted theist mind.