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From: � UltraMan � on 3 May 2007 22:16 Meta wrote: > On May 3, 7:07 am, "_ Prof. Jonez _" <thep...(a)jonez.net> wrote: >> tjab wrote: >>> In article <59srujF2l7n0...(a)mid.individual.net>, >>> _ Prof. Jonez _ <thep...(a)jonez.net> wrote: >>>> Kent Wills wrote: >> >>>>> Where's the proof that atheism is correct? Why do you run and >>>>> hide when I ask about it? >> >>>> I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque >>>> perverted superstition that you call christianity is >>>> utterly false. > > Those are some pretty harsh accusations - a superstition, huh? Irrefutably.
From: Jeckyl on 3 May 2007 22:17 "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam(a)dont.spam> wrote in message news:A6GdnQrX45mNCafbnZ2dnUVZ_gydnZ2d(a)comcast.com... > Jeckyl wrote: >> "Kent Wills" <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hatk331kpodcvs6mel0a1gmeklc6rq8qo8(a)4ax.com... >> >>>As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 03:14:47 +1000, "Jeckyl" >>><noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>_ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof(a)jonez.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque >>>>>>>perverted superstition that you call christianity is >>>>>>>utterly false. >>>> >>>>Please present this proof. >>>> >>> >>>I've been asking for proof that atheism is correct for a very >>>long time. >> >> >> Easy .. >> >> The theist position is to know that god exists >> The atheist position is to not know that god exists >> There is no proof that god exists >> We cannot conclude that god exists or does not exist >> Gods existance is unknown >> The atheist position is correct > That's not a proof. Looks like one to me > Furthermore, the most widley accepted definition of atheism You think .. I'd say that the widely accepted definition is that anyone who does not belief in god(s) is an atheist. > (as well as the primary one listed by dictionaries) is that it is the > belief that there are no gods - NOT that it is a synonym with agnosticism. I didn't say that it WAS a synonym with agnosticism. Atheism is the state of being without theistic beliefs. > Note that it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a > member of any OTHER religion, organized or not. "Strong atheist" .. yes .. just "atheist", no
From: � UltraMan � on 3 May 2007 22:59 Jeckyl wrote: > "Fred G. Mackey" <nospam(a)dont.spam> wrote in message > news:vrSdnW0ImsD7D6fbnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d(a)comcast.com... >> Uncle Vic wrote: >>> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote: >>> >>>> Kent Wills wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where's the proof that atheism is correct? Why do you run and >>>>> hide when I ask about it? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> (Piggybacking) >>> >>> Atheism is the neutral position. Atheists make no positive claims. >> >> They positively state that there are no gods. > > Incorrect. Only a subset of atheists do that (stong atheism or > radical atheism). All an atheist needs is a lack of belief in god. As > soon as there is any doubt, you are an atheist. > > see http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismquestions/a/strong_weak.htm > http://www.strongatheism.net/faq/#F1 > >> Atheism is a religion, just as sure as Christianity is. > > No .. it is not. Strong atheism _might_ be able to be called a > religion, depending on your defintition of what is it. Bullshit. Not by any rational definition of "religion". > In the loose > sense it can be any system of ethics, values, and belief. As weak > atheism has no belief and does not put forward any particular code of > ethics or values, its not a religion. Strong atheism has the belief > that god(s) does not exist, Strong atheism holds that no god(s) ever proposed by man have been shown to exist, nor is their existance even necessary to explain the universe. > but agan, no code of ehtics or values. So no, it would not be a religion > in any useful sense of the word. Exactly. > >>> Where is your proof the any religion is correct? >> There is none - where is your proof that there are no gods? > > Atheists don't need one .. all they need is for there to be no proof > that there are gods .. and that justifies their position completely. Kent doesn't quite comprehend the obvious, then again he believes that humans exhale Carbon Monoxide and that accusing someone of being pregnant who in fact isn't pregnant is *not* a false accusation.
From: DanielSan on 4 May 2007 00:14 Fred G. Mackey wrote: > Uncle Vic wrote: > >> _ Prof. Jonez _ wrote: >> >>> Kent Wills wrote: >>> >>>> Where's the proof that atheism is correct? Why do you run and >>>> hide when I ask about it? >>> >>> >>> >> >> (Piggybacking) >> >> Atheism is the neutral position. Atheists make no positive claims. > > > > They positively state that there are no gods. No, they do not. You can't positively claim a neutral position. > You can call it a > negative claim if you wish, but it is still an affirmation of their faith. Is "bald" a hair color? Is "not collecting stamps" a hobby? > > Atheism is a religiobn, just as sure as Christianity is. > >> Where is your proof the any religion is correct? >> > > There is none - where is your proof that there are no gods? I can answer this. First, please narrow it down a bit, though. Please show the parameters for which "god" you want me to start with. -- ******************************************************* * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *-----------------------------------------------------* * Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie * * who was his own father will let you live forever * * if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, * * and telepathically tell him that you accept him as * * your master, so he can remove an evil force from * * your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- * * ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made * * from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake * * to eat fruit from a magical tree. * *******************************************************
From: DanielSan on 4 May 2007 00:20
Fred G. Mackey wrote: > Jeckyl wrote: > >> "Kent Wills" <compuelf(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:hatk331kpodcvs6mel0a1gmeklc6rq8qo8(a)4ax.com... >> >>> As I understand it, on Fri, 4 May 2007 03:14:47 +1000, "Jeckyl" >>> <noone(a)nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>> _ Prof. Jonez _ <theprof(a)jonez.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I will gladly show that your pig-ignorant grotesque >>>>>>> perverted superstition that you call christianity is >>>>>>> utterly false. >>>> >>>> >>>> Please present this proof. >>>> >>> >>> I've been asking for proof that atheism is correct for a very >>> long time. >> >> >> >> Easy .. >> >> The theist position is to know that god exists >> The atheist position is to not know that god exists >> There is no proof that god exists >> We cannot conclude that god exists or does not exist >> Gods existance is unknown >> The atheist position is correct >> >> > That's not a proof. > > Furthermore, the most widley accepted definition of atheism (as well as > the primary one listed by dictionaries) is that it is the belief that > there are no gods Err, not quite. atheism: disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings. [Random House Dictionary] atheism: Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. [American Heritage Dictionary] atheism: a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods [WordNet 3.0] atheism: Disbelief in or denial of the existence of deities. [Wiktionary] Want more? > - NOT that it is a synonym with agnosticism. Agnosticism (and gnosticism) deals with the knowledge (or lack thereof) of spiritual matters... Atheism (and theism) deals with the existence (or lack thereof) of deities. Atheists do not believe in the existence of deities. Period. End of discussion. > > > Note that it takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be > a member of any OTHER religion, organized or not. Incorrect. -- ******************************************************* * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *-----------------------------------------------------* * Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie * * who was his own father will let you live forever * * if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, * * and telepathically tell him that you accept him as * * your master, so he can remove an evil force from * * your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- * * ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made * * from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake * * to eat fruit from a magical tree. * ******************************************************* |