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From: dr_jeff on 12 Aug 2010 09:23
chuckcar wrote:
> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in
> news:mt-dnThtVN8zgf_RnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com:
>
>> U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents
>> Automaker acknowledges other research, independent corroboration is
>> needed Staff and wire reports August 10, 2010 - 4:01 pm ET
>> UPDATED: 8/10/10 6:56 p.m. ET
>>
>> WASHINGTON -- Brakes weren't applied by drivers of Toyota vehicles in
>> at least 35 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration, U.S.
>> auto-safety regulators said after studying data recorders.
>>
>> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration also saw no
>> evidence of electronics-related causes for the accidents in reviewing
>> the vehicle recorders, known as black boxes, the agency said today in
>> a report to lawmakers.
>
> Pretty standard for accident investigation - you eliminate human error
> first because that's *always* the most common cause. In planes it's
> almost impossible to find other ones these days.
>
> I still say that Toyota (at least the executive part) has handled this
> *extremely* badly. They should have stuck by their guns and said "wait
> for the investigation to *find* the cause(s)". I can see at least one
> falling on his sword in the very near future. The CEO. It may even help
> their racing program. God knows they need to get the boardroom away from it.
>
> "Toyota *hasn't* been exonerated". Typical unethical lawyer.

By your suggestion above, the statement is appropriate and correct. The
investigation is not over.

Jeff

> On another note, it's still clear that the web has a long way to go
> before it comes close to usenet's credibility - judging by the replies
> to that article at least.
>
From: APLer on 12 Aug 2010 22:23
dr_jeff <utz(a)msu.edu> wrote in
news:7-OdncJSyt5VaP7RnZ2dnUVZ_oOdnZ2d(a)giganews.com:

> chuckcar wrote:
>> "C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in
>> news:mt-dnThtVN8zgf_RnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com:
>>
>>> U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents
>>> Automaker acknowledges other research, independent corroboration is
>>> needed Staff and wire reports August 10, 2010 - 4:01 pm ET
>>> UPDATED: 8/10/10 6:56 p.m. ET
>>>
>>> WASHINGTON -- Brakes weren't applied by drivers of Toyota vehicles
>>> in at least 35 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration, U.S.
>>> auto-safety regulators said after studying data recorders.
>>>
>>> The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration also saw no
>>> evidence of electronics-related causes for the accidents in
>>> reviewing the vehicle recorders, known as black boxes, the agency
>>> said today in a report to lawmakers.
>>
>> Pretty standard for accident investigation - you eliminate human
>> error first because that's *always* the most common cause. In planes
>> it's almost impossible to find other ones these days.
>>
>> I still say that Toyota (at least the executive part) has handled
>> this *extremely* badly. They should have stuck by their guns and said
>> "wait for the investigation to *find* the cause(s)". I can see at
>> least one falling on his sword in the very near future. The CEO. It
>> may even help their racing program. God knows they need to get the
>> boardroom away from it.
>>
>> "Toyota *hasn't* been exonerated". Typical unethical lawyer.
>
> By your suggestion above, the statement is appropriate and correct.
> The investigation is not over.
>
Completely the opposite of what I was saying. The lawyer is stating that
Toyota *was* at fault at one time and have had some minor repair to
their reputation that hasn't removed the blame. Something that certainly
the facts are showing *not* to be the case.

From: C. E. White on 13 Aug 2010 09:08

"MM" <junk(a)is.invalid> wrote in message news:i3tb0f$oc1$1(a)solani.org...
> jim beam wrote:
>> On 08/10/2010 08:44 PM, C. E. White wrote:
>>
>> <snip masquerade>
>>
>> you're a detroit shill "farmer" ed. trying to "blend in" by posting
>> something we already knew doesn't work.
>>
>>
>
> You keep accusing him of that but do you have any evidence that it's true?

He doesn't, but he is willing to make stuff up...

Ed


From: cuhulin on 13 Aug 2010 13:04
I have an old pair of white U.S.Army ''Mickey Mouse'' boots I bought at
an Army surplus store about twenty years ago.One time when I was wearing
those boots and driving my 1978 Dodge van, it was all too easy to hit
the accelerator pedal and the brake pedal at the same time.
cuhulin

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