From: Michael Dobony on
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:44:48 -0400, C. E. White wrote:

> U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents
> Automaker acknowledges other research, independent corroboration is needed
> Staff and wire reports August 10, 2010 - 4:01 pm ET
> UPDATED: 8/10/10 6:56 p.m. ET
>
> WASHINGTON -- Brakes weren't applied by drivers of Toyota vehicles in at
> least 35 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration, U.S. auto-safety
> regulators said after studying data recorders.
>

That leaves 23 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration where the
driver DID apply the breaks. Interesting deflection technique, a technique
of the guilty.
From: hls on

"Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message
> That leaves 23 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration where the
> driver DID apply the breaks. Interesting deflection technique, a technique
> of the guilty.\

They said "at least".. As I read the piece, the data from the car's
computers
is not as complete as would be desireable.
So, they know that in 35 cases, no brakes were applied. In the others
they dont know for sure, or there could have been brakes and accelerator
simultaneously.

So, bottom line, you cant draw much of a conclusion one way or the other
on this......except that in a substantial number of cases, the brakes were
never applied, and in the rest the data is not conclusive.

At least that is the way I see it.

From: JoeSpareBedroom on
"hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message
>> That leaves 23 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration where the
>> driver DID apply the breaks. Interesting deflection technique, a
>> technique
>> of the guilty.\
>
> They said "at least".. As I read the piece, the data from the car's
> computers
> is not as complete as would be desireable.
> So, they know that in 35 cases, no brakes were applied. In the others
> they dont know for sure, or there could have been brakes and accelerator
> simultaneously.
>
> So, bottom line, you cant draw much of a conclusion one way or the other
> on this......except that in a substantial number of cases, the brakes were
> never applied, and in the rest the data is not conclusive.
>
> At least that is the way I see it.


Who knows for sure? If what the Toyota spokesman says is true, the black
boxes are set up to be useless. Recording *begins* after a car hits a tree?
This contradicts what other sources have said in the past: The black boxes
record 5 seconds of data at a time.

"But Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons acknowledged this evening that the
company's black boxes have limited capability because they typically produce
data only when the airbag is activated.
....
Toyota's black boxes are built into the airbag sensor and usually begin
recording only when the airbag is deployed, Lyons said."


From: dr_jeff on
Michael Dobony wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:44:48 -0400, C. E. White wrote:
>
>> U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents
>> Automaker acknowledges other research, independent corroboration is needed
>> Staff and wire reports August 10, 2010 - 4:01 pm ET
>> UPDATED: 8/10/10 6:56 p.m. ET
>>
>> WASHINGTON -- Brakes weren't applied by drivers of Toyota vehicles in at
>> least 35 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration, U.S. auto-safety
>> regulators said after studying data recorders.
>>
>
> That leaves 23 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration where the
> driver DID apply the breaks.

By breaks, do you mean they were stopping for a snack?

> Interesting deflection technique, a technique
> of the guilty.

Gee, how do you know? Perhaps 23 of the 58 crashes are still under
investigation. Or, there was no way to difinitively say whether or not
the brakes were applied.

From: T.J. Higgins on
In article <DLWdnb8hkaWPEP_RnZ2dnUVZ5r6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, hls wrote:
>
>"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:mt-dnThtVN8zgf_RnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com...
>> U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents
>
>Isnt that what was found in the Audi cases some years ago? AFAIK,
>they never found a failure in the systems in those cases.

You are correct. The official finding in the Audi situation was
"pedal misapplication." Audi redesigned the pedals and evenutually
renamed the cars.


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TJH

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