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From: Michael Dobony on 11 Aug 2010 11:51 On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:44:48 -0400, C. E. White wrote: > U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents > Automaker acknowledges other research, independent corroboration is needed > Staff and wire reports August 10, 2010 - 4:01 pm ET > UPDATED: 8/10/10 6:56 p.m. ET > > WASHINGTON -- Brakes weren't applied by drivers of Toyota vehicles in at > least 35 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration, U.S. auto-safety > regulators said after studying data recorders. > That leaves 23 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration where the driver DID apply the breaks. Interesting deflection technique, a technique of the guilty.
From: hls on 11 Aug 2010 12:22 "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message > That leaves 23 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration where the > driver DID apply the breaks. Interesting deflection technique, a technique > of the guilty.\ They said "at least".. As I read the piece, the data from the car's computers is not as complete as would be desireable. So, they know that in 35 cases, no brakes were applied. In the others they dont know for sure, or there could have been brakes and accelerator simultaneously. So, bottom line, you cant draw much of a conclusion one way or the other on this......except that in a substantial number of cases, the brakes were never applied, and in the rest the data is not conclusive. At least that is the way I see it.
From: JoeSpareBedroom on 11 Aug 2010 12:30 "hls" <hls(a)nospam.nix> wrote in message news:LsCdnaZePovMU__RnZ2dnUVZ5vCdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > > "Michael Dobony" <survey(a)stopassaultnow.net> wrote in message >> That leaves 23 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration where the >> driver DID apply the breaks. Interesting deflection technique, a >> technique >> of the guilty.\ > > They said "at least".. As I read the piece, the data from the car's > computers > is not as complete as would be desireable. > So, they know that in 35 cases, no brakes were applied. In the others > they dont know for sure, or there could have been brakes and accelerator > simultaneously. > > So, bottom line, you cant draw much of a conclusion one way or the other > on this......except that in a substantial number of cases, the brakes were > never applied, and in the rest the data is not conclusive. > > At least that is the way I see it. Who knows for sure? If what the Toyota spokesman says is true, the black boxes are set up to be useless. Recording *begins* after a car hits a tree? This contradicts what other sources have said in the past: The black boxes record 5 seconds of data at a time. "But Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons acknowledged this evening that the company's black boxes have limited capability because they typically produce data only when the airbag is activated. .... Toyota's black boxes are built into the airbag sensor and usually begin recording only when the airbag is deployed, Lyons said."
From: dr_jeff on 11 Aug 2010 14:25 Michael Dobony wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 23:44:48 -0400, C. E. White wrote: > >> U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents >> Automaker acknowledges other research, independent corroboration is needed >> Staff and wire reports August 10, 2010 - 4:01 pm ET >> UPDATED: 8/10/10 6:56 p.m. ET >> >> WASHINGTON -- Brakes weren't applied by drivers of Toyota vehicles in at >> least 35 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration, U.S. auto-safety >> regulators said after studying data recorders. >> > > That leaves 23 of 58 crashes blamed on unintended acceleration where the > driver DID apply the breaks. By breaks, do you mean they were stopping for a snack? > Interesting deflection technique, a technique > of the guilty. Gee, how do you know? Perhaps 23 of the 58 crashes are still under investigation. Or, there was no way to difinitively say whether or not the brakes were applied.
From: T.J. Higgins on 11 Aug 2010 14:28 In article <DLWdnb8hkaWPEP_RnZ2dnUVZ5r6dnZ2d(a)giganews.com>, hls wrote: > >"C. E. White" <cewhite3remove(a)mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:mt-dnThtVN8zgf_RnZ2dnUVZ_h-dnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >> U.S. study finds driver error in most Toyota accidents > >Isnt that what was found in the Audi cases some years ago? AFAIK, >they never found a failure in the systems in those cases. You are correct. The official finding in the Audi situation was "pedal misapplication." Audi redesigned the pedals and evenutually renamed the cars. -- TJH tjhiggin.at.hiwaay.dot.net
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