From: Ashton Crusher on
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:29:37 +0000 (UTC), Brent
<tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 2010-06-15, lil abner <> wrote:
>
>> There were several old 30s road signs that read resume safe speed,
>> outside towns.
>
>http://www.archive.org/details/wreckless
>
>1935 film. No speed limit outside of the town apparently.
>

If what was depicted in the film happened today the speeder would have
been charged with attempted manslaughter against the cop. The law
today is perverted.
From: Brent on
On 2010-06-16, Ashton Crusher <demi(a)moore.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:29:37 +0000 (UTC), Brent
><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2010-06-15, lil abner <> wrote:
>>
>>> There were several old 30s road signs that read resume safe speed,
>>> outside towns.
>>
>>http://www.archive.org/details/wreckless
>>
>>1935 film. No speed limit outside of the town apparently.
>>
>
> If what was depicted in the film happened today the speeder would have
> been charged with attempted manslaughter against the cop. The law
> today is perverted.

Yep. And Winston Smith's job is becoming more difficult.
From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on

"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
news:e0ci16lmv9i2htc0mr2n7cftbjcot9qs5q(a)4ax.com...
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:43:36 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
> <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>
>>
>>"T.J. Higgins" <ernest.p.worrell(a)vernal.equinox.edu> wrote in message
>>news:cZ-dnZ6C4Ine1YvRnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d(a)posted.hiwaay2...
>>> Coming to a roadway near you: unmanned aerial vehicles.
>>>
>>> <http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/14/government-pressure-open-skies-unmanned-drones-despite-safety-concerns/>
>>>
>>Fine by me.
>>
>>The speed limit need not be set by the 85th (or higher) percentile of the
>>fastest/most reckless drivers out there. It's clear enough to me that the
>>speed limits are posted adequately so anything the government can do to
>>ensure compliance with the posted limits gets approval from me.
>>
>>Consider--look what happens driving the speed limit, then going into a
>>curve
>>or a sharper turn. Very little lateral pull forces, gentle forces at most,
>>usually quite non-existent if the curve has banking. Negligible vehicle
>>chassis lean. Tires are at no risk whatsoever of losing traction. That
>>means
>>full control over the vehicle going in and out of the turn.
>>
>>The same cannot be said of exceeding the speed limit, where the laterals
>>are
>>noticeable, the vehicle chassis leans, the tires may even start to make
>>audible noises that they are losing traction. Clearly, the fastest and
>>most
>>reckless drivers out there should not determine the speed limit.
>>
>>So if the car, SUV, motorcycle, and/or helicopter law enforcement can't or
>>won't do their job sufficiently, I see absolutely no problem with the
>>unmanned drones doing the extra work.
>
>
> You are either incredibly stupid or a troll.

I'm not a troll, so please tell me how I would be "incredibly stupid" when
basic physics can prove the speed limits are set correctly for the road
conditions.

From: Brent on
On 2010-06-17, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:

> I'm not a troll, so please tell me how I would be "incredibly stupid" when
> basic physics can prove the speed limits are set correctly for the road
> conditions.

What "physics" would those be? The no body roll in your vehicle kind?
Here's something to consider... your vehicle, if it matches with
chicago area speed limits must be something made in the 1930s, is not
the same as everybody elses. Many many vehicles on the road can shatter
the posted speed limits yet still pass all your comfort and traction
requirements of blandness.


From: Ashton Crusher on
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:07:06 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
<dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:

>
>"Ashton Crusher" <demi(a)moore.net> wrote in message
>news:e0ci16lmv9i2htc0mr2n7cftbjcot9qs5q(a)4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:43:36 -0700, "Daniel W. Rouse Jr."
>> <dwrousejr(a)nethere.comNOSPAM> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"T.J. Higgins" <ernest.p.worrell(a)vernal.equinox.edu> wrote in message
>>>news:cZ-dnZ6C4Ine1YvRnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d(a)posted.hiwaay2...
>>>> Coming to a roadway near you: unmanned aerial vehicles.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/14/government-pressure-open-skies-unmanned-drones-despite-safety-concerns/>
>>>>
>>>Fine by me.
>>>
>>>The speed limit need not be set by the 85th (or higher) percentile of the
>>>fastest/most reckless drivers out there. It's clear enough to me that the
>>>speed limits are posted adequately so anything the government can do to
>>>ensure compliance with the posted limits gets approval from me.
>>>
>>>Consider--look what happens driving the speed limit, then going into a
>>>curve
>>>or a sharper turn. Very little lateral pull forces, gentle forces at most,
>>>usually quite non-existent if the curve has banking. Negligible vehicle
>>>chassis lean. Tires are at no risk whatsoever of losing traction. That
>>>means
>>>full control over the vehicle going in and out of the turn.
>>>
>>>The same cannot be said of exceeding the speed limit, where the laterals
>>>are
>>>noticeable, the vehicle chassis leans, the tires may even start to make
>>>audible noises that they are losing traction. Clearly, the fastest and
>>>most
>>>reckless drivers out there should not determine the speed limit.
>>>
>>>So if the car, SUV, motorcycle, and/or helicopter law enforcement can't or
>>>won't do their job sufficiently, I see absolutely no problem with the
>>>unmanned drones doing the extra work.
>>
>>
>> You are either incredibly stupid or a troll.
>
>I'm not a troll, so please tell me how I would be "incredibly stupid" when
>basic physics can prove the speed limits are set correctly for the road
>conditions.

Because you make such stupid statements like if you are speeding your
tires will be squealing (tires may even start to make
audible noises that they are losing traction) and "the vehicle chassis
leans", oh dear, god forbid that the suspension DO SOMEHTING. You
talk about the "laterals being noticeable" as if they never are if you
go the speed limit - newsflash, they don't even put up advisory signs
unless the lateral force is around 0.2 G's. Going 66 in a 65 zone is
speeding and there is essentially zero chance it's going to make your
tires squeal. You have a completely idiotic black/white mind set as
if the "speed limit" came down from GOD. Speed limits are set by
people gathering limited data, applying a standard analysis approach
and then rounding DOWN. And that's if it's done "properly", which is
very rare. And after that it's then adjusted even lower by timid
bureaucrats who buy into the "if it saves one life" nonsense and dream
up all sorts of reasons why the road is not really safe to be driven
on at the speed the public finds perfectly reasonable. They then they
often shave another 5 or 10 off the proper speed limit "just to be
safe". All this in spite of study after study showing that speed
limits, per se, have almost no effect on actual traffic speeds NOR ON
ACCIDENTS and that the typical driver is perfectly capable of driving
at a safe speed for conditions and that includes even the horrible
drivers we have here in the US who can barely find their tail pipe
even if you shove it someplace where the sun don't shine.
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