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From: Adrian on 30 Jun 2010 08:30 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >>> and allows more time for the said inattentive fuckwit to notice what >>> is happening and perhaps avoid the incident. >> If they were paying attention in the first place, they wouldn't need >> extra time to notice what's happening. > While I agree with your points, there seems to me to be only two > possible solutions. > > [1] Remove the fuckwits from the road. (e.g. regular testing, education > or just take their licences away). Yep. But for the actual offences and problems, not for something that may or may not be related to it. Nick the brain-dead idiots for overtaking in the face of a blind bend, not for their speed (which is very likely to be below the NSL). > [2] Legislate and control them so they are less likely to cause > incidents. (e.g. speed limits, traffic calming, speed cameras). Well, the legislation is already in place - and I'd kind of prefer the control to actually address the _real_ cause, and to restrict and prevent dangerous behaviour at the time it's occurring rather than sending a letter a week later.
From: mileburner on 30 Jun 2010 11:32 Adrian wrote: > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: >> >> [1] Remove the fuckwits from the road. (e.g. regular testing, >> education or just take their licences away). > > Yep. But for the actual offences and problems, not for something that > may or may not be related to it. > > Nick the brain-dead idiots for overtaking in the face of a blind bend, > not for their speed (which is very likely to be below the NSL). There is a 40mph limit on that stretch of road but that is just an arbitrary limit. It's actually quite safe to take those bends at higher speeds just so long as there is not another vehicle heading your way on your side of the road or any other obstruction that you cannot see. >> [2] Legislate and control them so they are less likely to cause >> incidents. (e.g. speed limits, traffic calming, speed cameras). > > Well, the legislation is already in place - and I'd kind of prefer the > control to actually address the _real_ cause, and to restrict and > prevent dangerous behaviour at the time it's occurring rather than > sending a letter a week later. Nice idea! Can you give any clue as to how that might be acheived? Rumour has it police budgets are being cut.
From: Adrian on 30 Jun 2010 11:38 "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > There is a 40mph limit on that stretch of road but that is just an > arbitrary limit. It's actually quite safe to take those bends at higher > speeds just so long as there is not another vehicle heading your way on > your side of the road or any other obstruction that you cannot see. <cough> Did we forget something about being able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear? >>> [2] Legislate and control them so they are less likely to cause >>> incidents. (e.g. speed limits, traffic calming, speed cameras). >> Well, the legislation is already in place - and I'd kind of prefer the >> control to actually address the _real_ cause, and to restrict and >> prevent dangerous behaviour at the time it's occurring rather than >> sending a letter a week later. > Nice idea! Can you give any clue as to how that might be acheived? > Rumour has it police budgets are being cut. As ever, "budget cut" does not necessarily equal "front line budget cut".
From: JNugent on 30 Jun 2010 13:38 Chris Bartram wrote: > On 30/06/2010 09:01, Ret. wrote: > >> The problem is that it's a magnet for bikers who are not out for a >> scenic drive, but rather to see just how fast they can negotiate the >> road. > > >> Inevitably a large number of them find to their cost that they can *not* >> safely negotiate the road at high speed and they come to grief: >> > > [snip] > >> >> (So it is simply down to idiot boy-racer bikers...) >> > Be fair, it's also car drivers running out of talent and/or road, not > just bikes. Not according to what he posted.
From: Ret. on 30 Jun 2010 16:25
Adrian wrote: > "mileburner" <mileburner(a)btinternet.com> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: > >>>> I note from a most recent article that the authorities are >>>> installing average speed cameras that will cover the entire length >>>> of road. This may help to keep speeds down. > >>> That's nice, dear. >>> >>> Will it do anything to reduce inattention and fuckwittery? > >> Possibly not > > Thank you. > >> but speed reduction tends to reduce the severity of any collision > > Which I'd rather they avoided completely in the first place. > >> and allows more time for the said inattentive fuckwit to notice what >> is happening and perhaps avoid the incident. > > If they were paying attention in the first place, they wouldn't need > extra time to notice what's happening. Having stopped innumerable bikers for dodgy driving during my time on traffic, there is one thing I learned - you cannot tell a biker anything. They believe that a car driver knows nothing about biking and that they know best. Bearing in mind the number of bikers I helped to pick up off the road in pieces during my career - they most certainly do not. -- Kev |