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From: Elder on 6 Jul 2010 08:58 In article <1jkx25a.vxm5vg1yuktpuN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, %steve% @malloc.co.uk says... > Kevin what were Cheshire Plod doing parading around > Derbyshire? Unable to read maps? > > Probably the same as GMP patrolling the M56 as far west as M6/Thewall junction and beyond. -- Carl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553
From: JNugent on 7 Jul 2010 19:51 Elder wrote: > jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm says... >> CCC abolished in 2009? I didn't hear about that. >> It's a great shame. I mean, why bother with just two district unitary >> authorities in a large-ish county? Why not just one - the county? >> But it's not irreversible. > Don't forget Warrington too, logistically near to Merseyside, but > actually within the geographic county of Cheshire, but a unitary council > in its own right and not controlled by Cheshire East or West. Warrington is within the geographical county of *Lancashire* (the south Lancashire plain sits north of the Mersey and south of the Ribble, and Warrington and Widnes are part of it). "Geographical Cheshire" sits entirely south of the Mersey. Only (the contrived) "political" Cheshire includes (or has included) Widnes and Warrington, but the geographical/geomorphological county never has, and never could, just like Kent can't include Thurrock.
From: JNugent on 7 Jul 2010 19:53 Elder wrote: > In article <1jkx25a.vxm5vg1yuktpuN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, %steve% > @malloc.co.uk says... >> Kevin what were Cheshire Plod doing parading around >> Derbyshire? Unable to read maps? >> >> > > Probably the same as GMP patrolling the M56 as far west as M6/Thewall > junction and beyond. Some county forces join forces to provide an inter-area pool of traffic officers to patrol motorways whose junctions don't conform to the niceties of political boundaries. It's been happening since the late sixties.
From: Steve Firth on 8 Jul 2010 02:30 JNugent <jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: > Only (the contrived) "political" Cheshire includes (or has included) Widnes > and Warrington, but the geographical/geomorphological county never has, and > never could, just like Kent can't include Thurrock. Is the wrong answer. Cheshire originally extended up to the Ribble and out to include parts of what is now Wales (Flintshire). It was only an administrative reform that transferred the area between the Mersey and the Ribble to Lancashire. BTW, there is no "contrived" authority named Cheshire. There are two authorities, Cheshire East and Cheshire West and two unitary authorities Halton and Warrington.
From: JNugent on 8 Jul 2010 12:28
Steve Firth wrote: > JNugent <jenningsltd(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >> Only (the contrived) "political" Cheshire includes (or has included) Widnes >> and Warrington, but the geographical/geomorphological county never has, and >> never could, just like Kent can't include Thurrock. > Is the wrong answer. > Cheshire originally extended up to the Ribble and out to include parts > of what is now Wales (Flintshire). It was only an administrative reform > that transferred the area between the Mersey and the Ribble to > Lancashire. BTW, there is no "contrived" authority named Cheshire. There > are two authorities, Cheshire East and Cheshire West and two unitary > authorities Halton and Warrington. My post was written entirely (where relevant) in the past tense, so points about the current non-existence of Cheshire County Council (which is and always was a different kettle of fish from the county of Cheshire in any event*) are aimed at something that was not said. Writing as a Lancastrian, born and bred (even if born less than a mile within the county), I'd be interested to know what time period is being referenced with the statement that everything south of the Ribble was once in Cheshire. [* The counties of England existed for centuries before county councils - which I am happy agree were and are a political contrivance - were dreamed up. The current non-existence of a county council in Cheshire does not change the fact that Cheshire is a county. Counties have never needed county councils as a validation of their existence.] |