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From: Jerry on 15 Jun 2010 04:34 "Steve Firth" <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message news:1jk49dd.1ibsob75p7amuN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk... : Dave Plowman (News) <dave(a)davenoise.co.uk> wrote: : : > : > I'm talking about a simple carb fault. When carbs where the norm a decent : > garage would know how to strip and inspect one for flooding. Not like : > today when they only work to fault codes. : : When I talked about the Picanto <snip bullshit> Revision No. 7....
From: Jerry on 15 Jun 2010 04:41 <stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com> wrote in message news:e0d56e2751.Steve(a)btinternet.com... : In message <hv4q5b$jnu$4(a)news.eternal-september.org> : "Jerry" <mapson.scarts(a)btinternet.INVALID> wrote: : : > : >"Peter Hill" <peter.usenet1(a)nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message : >news:iakb16dn676rvm1vdp2m61djov2u72ip11(a)4ax.com... : >: On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:40:00 +0100, stephen.hull(a)btinternet.com : >wrote: : >: : >: >Also I worked in the paint finishing shop which was designed : >to : >: >repaint areas that may have been damaged during assembly but : >: >because it took three months to build one car they were all : >: >covered in slight damage and had to be completely sprayed. : >: : >: DOH! You put protectors over the bits that get damage. : >: : > : >Indeed and even if one doesn't it is quite possible to fit up a : >body shell into a fully functioning car (in less time that RR : >seems to have taken) without damaging the finished paintwork, so : >unless the workforce of RR was especially careless... : : Like I said in my other post, perhaps they didn't need to be that : careful knowing they were to be painted anyway. <snip> Why paint (top coat) then in the first place then, why not prime and colour the inside, shuts and engine bay etc. and leave the rest until major and bulk of assembly was complete? Not doubting your story Steve but just the obviously sloppy methods of the then RR factory! :~( -- Regards, Jerry.
From: Indy Jess John on 15 Jun 2010 12:48 Steve Firth wrote: > When I talked about the Picanto I was talking about a simple fuel leak. > You know the sort of thing that's even more obvious than a carburettor > with a sticking float. A fuel leak where the fuel leaks from the vehicle > and no matter whether it is petrol or diesel it is obvious because it > stinks and there are traces of fuel visible. If the entire Kia dealer > network can miss this, it suggests that PDIs are the 100% effective > system that you and Jerry seem to think they are. > This is a gross over-simplification. The entire dealer network did not miss this, because a recall is in place, and that means that the same fault has been spotted by more than one dealer. Also a recall doesn't mean that every car has developed a leak but that investigating the ones that did revealed a design flaw where any of them could. In fact if you look up the recall notice it says that *in a few cases* the fuel filler neck seal has failed due to the effect of de-icing materials. So no leak unless you fill the tank to the brim, and a PDI wouldn't pick it up because the fault only developed after seal contamination by an external material. All in all, an irrelevant example. Jim
From: Steve Firth on 15 Jun 2010 14:03 Jerry <mapson.scarts(a)btinternet.INVALID> wrote: > : > [1] Message-ID: <hv0l12$edu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org> > : > : That doesn't ask me if the car had been PDI checked. > > Yes it did, No it doesn't you're a liar.
From: stephen.hull on 15 Jun 2010 14:57
In message <hv7ehb$8il$9(a)news.eternal-september.org> "Jerry" <mapson.scarts(a)btinternet.INVALID> wrote: >>Indeed and even if one doesn't it is quite possible to fit up a >>body shell into a fully functioning car (in less time that RR >>seems to have taken) without damaging the finished paintwork, so >>unless the workforce of RR was especially careless. Like I said >>in my other post, perhaps they didn't need to be that careful >>knowing they were to be painted anyway. >><snip> > >Why paint (top coat) then in the first place then, why not prime >and colour the inside, shuts and engine bay etc. and leave the >rest until major and bulk of assembly was complete? > >Not doubting your story Steve but just the obviously sloppy >methods of the then RR factory! :~( Perhaps is was due to so many people working on them during the three months build, or because you cannot suitable paint dip metallic finishes. Or maybe the Foreman was incorrect in his assumption that vehicles should only require minor paint work after the initial build. However the paint finishing shop painted the full shell including all door shuts and scuttle panel, the scuttle panel was probably less likely to sustain damage during assembly as this was always carried in the boot ready for paint. The vehicles received 32 coats of paint so perhaps it was not important to sustain minor damage or have paint imperfections during the build. Stephen. -- http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk Coach painting tips and techniques + Land Rover colour codes "Whatever is rightly done, however humble, is noble". Henry Royce |