Undertaking MLOCers - pet hate
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From: Rob on 1 Aug 2010 12:55 Adrian wrote: || Phil Bradby <nospam(a)nospam.com> gurgled happily, sounding much like || they were saying: || ||| Overtaking on the left is quite different from passing on the left. ||| If you come up behind a car and move out to the left to overtake ||| it, that's what the highway code doesn't like. If you are ||| travelling in the correct lane and just by staying in that lane ||| happen to pass someone travelling in the wrong lane, there has been ||| no overtake, which would be a manoeuvre. A manoeuvre is something ||| involving changing your speed and/or position - you have done ||| neither in this case. || || Hmm. Not sure about that line of logic. I'd say it was spot on. || The only mentions of which side to pass on in the HC are a couple of || the bullet points in rule 163. || || 163 - Overtake only when it is safe and legal to do so. You should || * only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling || to turn right, and there is room to do so Note that it doesn't say 'only pass on the left...'. It's clear that that sentence is directed at anyone behind and in the same lane as the right-turning vehicle. If it was interpreted to include traffic passing in the left-most lane, then the use of 'only' in that sentence would prevent anyone proceeding as per the contradictory instruction which follows; || * stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the || queue on your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass || on the left Which does deliberately and intentionally refer to passing and not overtaking. The HC recognises the distinction, in every instance where the HC mentions overtaking, it is in the context of a manoeuvre which involves changing lanes. -- Rob
From: Ian Jackson on 1 Aug 2010 12:59 In message <i348o2$32u$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Dr Zoidberg <AlexNOOOOO!!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> writes > >"Tim Downie" <timdownie2003(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message >news:i3469q$nst$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Dr Zoidberg wrote: >>> "Phil Bradby" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message >>> news:i31sso$5pn$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>>> On quiet motorways, I've long since given up sweeping out to L3 and >>>> then all the way back to L1 to overtake an idiot bumbling along >>>> needlessly in L2 - now I just undertake the selfish buggers. >>>> >>>> There are three reactions to this: >>>> >>>> 1) by far the most common, they just stay in their own world in the >>>> middle lane >>>> >>>> 2) sometimes they twig that they're in the wrong lane and move left >>>> after you pass them >>>> >>>> 3) but sometimes - this is the pet hate - they notice at the last >>>> minute that they're being undertaken and suddenly pull back in to L1 >>>> when you're almost on their tail, leaving you to swerve into L2. If >>>> they cut in very close and the speed differential is high, this can >>>> be... heart-stopping. If people want to be selfish, let them do it >>>>- but why make things >>>> worse by being so bloody, bloody stupid as well? >>>> >>> So you know that they often cut back in, and yet you continue to >>> undertake.... >>> Doesn't that sound a bit stupid. >>> It's no effort to go round them on the correct side, so why not do it? >> >> What do you do when you get some twunt sitting out in lane two on a >>dula carriageway for miles? >> >> I know what I *ought* to do but sometimes I just don't have the patience. >> >I tend to beep and flash at them - that tends to do the trick > Then you've got the magic touch. I find that these people stick stalwartly to their chosen lane, and no amount of beeping and flashing will persuade them to move to L1 - so I rarely bother to try it. -- Ian
From: Adrian on 1 Aug 2010 13:06 "Rob" <rsvptorob-newsREMOVE(a)yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Which does deliberately and intentionally refer to passing and not > overtaking. The HC recognises the distinction Care to provide a link to that? > in every instance where the HC mentions overtaking, it is in the > context of a manoeuvre which involves changing lanes. Well, yes. But that's because the HC also says that you must return left after overtaking/passing another vehicle. Apart from in a queue of traffic, overtaking/passing to the left without changing lane is only possible where that rule is being flouted. Does the HC give an exchange rate of wrongs to rights?
From: The Peeler on 1 Aug 2010 13:34 On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:17:44 +0000 (UTC), Phil Bradby <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote: >On quiet motorways, I've long since given up sweeping out to L3 and then >all the way back to L1 to overtake an idiot bumbling along needlessly in >L2 - now I just undertake the selfish buggers. > >There are three reactions to this: > >1) by far the most common, they just stay in their own world in the >middle lane > >2) sometimes they twig that they're in the wrong lane and move left after >you pass them > >3) but sometimes - this is the pet hate - they notice at the last minute >that they're being undertaken and suddenly pull back in to L1 when you're >almost on their tail, leaving you to swerve into L2. If they cut in very >close and the speed differential is high, this can be... heart-stopping. > >If people want to be selfish, let them do it - but why make things worse >by being so bloody, bloody stupid as well? Bear in mind that many such drivers, especially if they're black, are on drugs at the time.
From: Derek Geldard on 1 Aug 2010 16:07
On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 15:30:27 +0100, Nick Finnigan <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote: >> In all cases ? What is safe about it ? > > Obviously not in the case of a Schumacher, otherwise it is comparable in >safety to "sweeping out to L3 and then all the way back to L1". > I call it driving "Batman Style". The reverse manouver involving swooping from L3 to acomplish the undertaking manouver and returning to L3 at great speed cutting across the front of the MLO in L2 within 1 or 2 metres (just to gain his attention of course ) is called "The swarming of wasps". It happens. >> What if I have a blowout in L2 whilst jack the lad is pissing up the >> inside. ? > > What if you have one whilst he is passing on the outside? Nothing happens. L2 man makes a beeline for the hard shoulder across the (thankfully) empty L1 and phones for the AA. Jack the lad continues on his way unimpeded. If the L2 driver is as timid, feeble,docile and useless as has been made out it would seem to make sense not to cause him to become further alarmed and possibly panic whist he's struggling with a blowout. As I already said a case could be made out for passing on the right, passing on the left , or passing both sides. As long as we all follow the same rule. : -) It appears that sticking to the rules is a bit of a lost art amongst some of the denizens on this newsgroup, although they must have managed it to some minimum standard when they took their test. Derek |