Undertaking MLOCers - pet hate
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From: Nkosi (ama-ecosse) on 6 Aug 2010 08:11 On 6 Aug, 11:10, bod <bodro...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > GT wrote: > > "Ian Dalziel" <iandalz...(a)lineone.net> wrote in message > >news:0adm561c8594mvpgmtln5b212jktcbsdd2(a)4ax.com... > >> On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:58:40 +0100, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > > >>> "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message > >>>news:8hyv4bjag0mj.lvhtso0ve2cm$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > >>>> On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 11:26:20 +0100, GT wrote: > > >>>>>> It is neither illegal nor dangerous./ > >>>>> It is illegal to overtake on the left, unless you are on a 1 way street > >>>>> or > >>>>> the car is turning right. > >>>> or where heavy traffic on dual happens to move faster on left > >>> Ah - similar point to Brimstone's - I think the official line is 'slow > >>> moving' traffic, not 'heavy traffic. If the traffic is flowing along at a > >>> decent speed, then I don't think undertaking is legal, although nobody > >>> bothers! Also, I don't know how we define 'slow moving' or 'decent speed'. > >> You don't actually know very much, do you? > > >> What you think doesn't actually consitute law in this Country. > > > I've fixed your typo, but you haven't made any sort of point here - what was > > your point? > > I got pulled (and warned) for undertaking a veeeery slooow car who was > chuntering along at about 15-20mph in the outside lane of a dual > carriageway. > > Bod- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Why didn't they pull the numpty in the slow car who was obviously DWDCA otherwise they would have been in the other lane. If I had to wait for every numpty sitting in the outside lane of the M9 to pull over to the inside lane I would never get to work or home. I cannot believe why they think they are allowed to preserve it for themselves. Procedure is as follows: 1. Drive in inside lane 2. Move to outside lane (L2) to overtake slow car on inside lane (L1). 3. Return to L1. However, the following often needs to be added. 4. Remain in L1 to pass slow car in L2 Slow car in L2 should be scanning mirrors frequently as taught by "Driving School Instructor" for fast cars approaching from behind and ensure they are in L1 to allow legal overtake and not remain in L2 stubbornly doing 60mph with a clear road in front of them. 5. Refrain from returning obscene gesture as shown by driver of slow car in L2 Nkosi
From: GT on 6 Aug 2010 09:48 "Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel7(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:80ae9872-a933-43fb-b790-4e65838685f1(a)h28g2000yqd.googlegroups.com... On 6 Aug, 10:55, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: > "Nick Finnigan" <n...(a)genie.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:i3famu$63e$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > GT wrote: > > >> Ahh - but the police probably won't stop you and charge you for > >> breaking > >> a law if you bang your head on the wall, > > > They will stop you, if they see you. > > > but they will if you undertake, thereby breaking the dwdca law. > > > No they won't, and no you aren't. > > Er - yes they will! And you are. Ian wrote: "Rubbish... [snip]" Another non-point, posted incorrectly with no indent! As we know, failing to follow the highway code is driving without due care and attention, so if it is legal to undertake, then it must be listed in the highway code. So if you could please quote us the section in the highway code that states it is OK to undertake in the above (now snipped) circumstances.... You can't. It isn't in there. The opposite is in there - you are driving without due care and attention if you undertake. Bod has already given us 1 example of being stopped by the police for doing it. here is another... http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Law/Question481517.html "Up to two years imprisonment, 3 - 11 points, an obligatory disqualification and a fine." "Unless the court accepts 'special reasons' for not imposing a ban and/or ordering an extended driving re-test, the court must impose a minimum ban of 12 months (and require an extended re-test) for any conviction of dangerous driving" Where is your evidence that it is legal to drive in this manner?
From: GT on 6 Aug 2010 10:49 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:17mv7pzn83rli.hx6h2e67vd5f$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:48:35 +0100, GT wrote: > >> You can't. It isn't in there. The opposite is in there - you are driving >> without due care and attention if you undertake. > > "http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/fact_sheets/dangerous_driving/" > > "What is 'Careless or inconsiderate driving'? > A person drives carelessly or inconsiderately when the way they drive > falls > below the minimum acceptable standard expected of a competent and careful > driver. > Some examples of careless driving are: > > * overtaking on the inside; That document also mentions "unnecessarily staying in an overtaking lane", but this is only 'inconsiderate driving'. The undertaking is 'Careless driving', so the undertaker (not funerals!) is more likely to be pulled over than the L2 lane hogger that effectively, through frustration, caused the other driver to drive carelessly. Odd phrase though - I am always very careful when undertaking, I never do it carelessly! In my eyes, the person who is sitting in the wrong lane is driving carelessly - not showing care to his lane positioning.
From: GT on 6 Aug 2010 11:46 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:t4zpv1po4ka1.gxbgrp6l3fif$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:49:25 +0100, GT wrote: > >> Odd phrase though - I am always very careful when undertaking, I never do >> it >> carelessly! In my eyes, the person who is sitting in the wrong lane is >> driving carelessly - not showing care to his lane positioning. > > My guess would be it is graded by danger to others. Absolutely, but undertaking is just a symptom. The cause is bad lane ettiquette in this country. If there were no overtaking lane hoggers, then undertaking could never happen! The person in L2 has clearly shown that they have no intention of returning to the correct lane and has no idea that anyone is behind them, so undertaking them is perfectly safe. I suppose the counter argument to that is that therefore being in the wrong lane is perfectly safe and not dangerous either! Hmm. Going round in circles now!
From: Nick Finnigan on 6 Aug 2010 12:42
Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: > On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:47:34 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote: > >>> Didn't you see Chelsea's post - dwdca. >> Which does not mention overtaking, undertaking, passing, inside, outside, >> on the left, on the right, exceptions nor anything remotely connected. > > do you think ignoring the highway code is driving with due care and > attention? It can be. e.g. to pass on the left at a suitable speed, where there is room: in a one-way street (unless that is hiding in the on-line version) when using a marked left turn filter lane and other traffic is going ahead when going ahead and traffic in a right turn lane is not signalling on a roundabout when a later exit than yours is blocked when joining the M60 and the slip road forms a new lane 1 and you are taking the next exit but you are not in a queue when you want to leave the M60 at the next exit and there is a new lane 1 to your left and there is no other traffic using it when you are joining a motorway in the left hand lane of a sliproad with a tiger tail, but you are not in a queue when you are coming off the M6 Southbound on to the M55 and there is traffic coming off the M6 Northbound heading to the A6. etc. |