From: GT on
"Nick Finnigan" <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:47:34 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>
>>>> Didn't you see Chelsea's post - dwdca.
>>> Which does not mention overtaking, undertaking, passing, inside,
>>> outside, on the left, on the right, exceptions nor anything remotely
>>> connected.
>>
>> do you think ignoring the highway code is driving with due care and
>> attention?
>
> It can be. e.g. to pass on the left at a suitable speed, where there is
> room:
>
> in a one-way street (unless that is hiding in the on-line version)
> when using a marked left turn filter lane and other traffic is going
> ahead
> when going ahead and traffic in a right turn lane is not signalling
> on a roundabout when a later exit than yours is blocked
> when joining the M60 and the slip road forms a new lane 1 and you are
> taking the next exit but you are not in a queue
> when you want to leave the M60 at the next exit and there is a new lane 1
> to your left and there is no other traffic using it
> when you are joining a motorway in the left hand lane of a sliproad with
> a tiger tail, but you are not in a queue
> when you are coming off the M6 Southbound on to the M55 and there is
> traffic coming off the M6 Northbound heading to the A6.

Yes, we already quoted most of those as legitimate examples (without the
specific road examples) - we are talking specifically about the undertaking
of lane hoggers - you jumped in and told us that it is perfectly legal. We
(whilst some of us admit to doing it occasionally) say it is illegal and
constitutes dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention. We
have given examples by two people who have been stopped for doing it. We
have quoted the laws in question. We have shown you a goverment document
listing examples of dangerous driving (which includes passing on the left).
If you want to continue to believe otherwise, then there is nothing more we
can say.


From: Ian Dalziel on
On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 20:30:02 +0100, "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote:

>"Nick Finnigan" <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:i3he1p$6k6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:47:34 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Didn't you see Chelsea's post - dwdca.
>>>> Which does not mention overtaking, undertaking, passing, inside,
>>>> outside, on the left, on the right, exceptions nor anything remotely
>>>> connected.
>>>
>>> do you think ignoring the highway code is driving with due care and
>>> attention?
>>
>> It can be. e.g. to pass on the left at a suitable speed, where there is
>> room:
>>
>> in a one-way street (unless that is hiding in the on-line version)
>> when using a marked left turn filter lane and other traffic is going
>> ahead
>> when going ahead and traffic in a right turn lane is not signalling
>> on a roundabout when a later exit than yours is blocked
>> when joining the M60 and the slip road forms a new lane 1 and you are
>> taking the next exit but you are not in a queue
>> when you want to leave the M60 at the next exit and there is a new lane 1
>> to your left and there is no other traffic using it
>> when you are joining a motorway in the left hand lane of a sliproad with
>> a tiger tail, but you are not in a queue
>> when you are coming off the M6 Southbound on to the M55 and there is
>> traffic coming off the M6 Northbound heading to the A6.
>
>Yes, we already quoted most of those as legitimate examples (without the
>specific road examples) - we are talking specifically about the undertaking
>of lane hoggers - you jumped in and told us that it is perfectly legal. We
>(whilst some of us admit to doing it occasionally) say it is illegal and
>constitutes dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention. We
>have given examples by two people who have been stopped for doing it. We
>have quoted the laws in question. We have shown you a goverment document
>listing examples of dangerous driving (which includes passing on the left).
>If you want to continue to believe otherwise, then there is nothing more we
>can say.
>

You haven't quoted a law, though, have you? I said several days ago
that you could be prosecuted for driving without due care and
attention, but it depends on the circumstances - passing on the
nearside is not in itself illegal.

Has all the self-righteous bullshit you have spouted since then added
anything to that?

From: Nick Finnigan on
GT wrote:
> "Nick Finnigan" <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:i3he1p$6k6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>> Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:47:34 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Didn't you see Chelsea's post - dwdca.
>>>> Which does not mention overtaking, undertaking, passing, inside,
>>>> outside, on the left, on the right, exceptions nor anything remotely
>>>> connected.
>>> do you think ignoring the highway code is driving with due care and
>>> attention?
>> It can be. e.g. to pass on the left at a suitable speed, where there is
>> room:
>
> Yes, we already quoted most of those as legitimate examples (without the

I was asked a question specifically about the HC, so I answered it.

> specific road examples) - we are talking specifically about the undertaking
> of lane hoggers - you jumped in and told us that it is perfectly legal.

The HC and the CPS document make no distinction for 'lane hogging'. The
only documented exceptions are traffic indicating to turn right or moving
in queues. The logical conclusion is that passing on the left is not illegal.

We
> have quoted the laws in question. We have shown you a goverment document
> listing examples of dangerous driving (which includes passing on the left).

No, you haven't; careless driving, with no exceptions, not even for
vehicles indicating to turn right. Obviously that can be taken as Gospel.
From: GT on
"Ian Dalziel" <iandalziel(a)lineone.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 20:30:02 +0100, "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote:
>
>>"Nick Finnigan" <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:i3he1p$6k6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:47:34 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't you see Chelsea's post - dwdca.
>>>>> Which does not mention overtaking, undertaking, passing, inside,
>>>>> outside, on the left, on the right, exceptions nor anything remotely
>>>>> connected.
>>>>
>>>> do you think ignoring the highway code is driving with due care and
>>>> attention?
>>>
>>> It can be. e.g. to pass on the left at a suitable speed, where there is
>>> room:
>>>
>>> in a one-way street (unless that is hiding in the on-line version)
>>> when using a marked left turn filter lane and other traffic is going
>>> ahead
>>> when going ahead and traffic in a right turn lane is not signalling
>>> on a roundabout when a later exit than yours is blocked
>>> when joining the M60 and the slip road forms a new lane 1 and you are
>>> taking the next exit but you are not in a queue
>>> when you want to leave the M60 at the next exit and there is a new lane
>>> 1
>>> to your left and there is no other traffic using it
>>> when you are joining a motorway in the left hand lane of a sliproad
>>> with
>>> a tiger tail, but you are not in a queue
>>> when you are coming off the M6 Southbound on to the M55 and there is
>>> traffic coming off the M6 Northbound heading to the A6.
>>
>>Yes, we already quoted most of those as legitimate examples (without the
>>specific road examples) - we are talking specifically about the
>>undertaking
>>of lane hoggers - you jumped in and told us that it is perfectly legal. We
>>(whilst some of us admit to doing it occasionally) say it is illegal and
>>constitutes dangerous driving or driving without due care and attention.
>>We
>>have given examples by two people who have been stopped for doing it. We
>>have quoted the laws in question. We have shown you a goverment document
>>listing examples of dangerous driving (which includes passing on the
>>left).
>>If you want to continue to believe otherwise, then there is nothing more
>>we
>>can say.
>
> You haven't quoted a law, though, have you?

Not personnally, but you have and so has Chelsea. Anything else you need
help with?


From: GT on
"Nick Finnigan" <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote in message
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> GT wrote:
>> "Nick Finnigan" <nix(a)genie.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:i3he1p$6k6$1(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> Chelsea Tractor Man wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:47:34 +0100, Nick Finnigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Didn't you see Chelsea's post - dwdca.
>>>>> Which does not mention overtaking, undertaking, passing, inside,
>>>>> outside, on the left, on the right, exceptions nor anything remotely
>>>>> connected.
>>>> do you think ignoring the highway code is driving with due care and
>>>> attention?
>>> It can be. e.g. to pass on the left at a suitable speed, where there is
>>> room:
>>
>> Yes, we already quoted most of those as legitimate examples (without the
>
> I was asked a question specifically about the HC, so I answered it.

No, we were talking about the law. However it has been answered already -
the relevant law and goverment documentation has been quoted and accepted by
all but you.

>> specific road examples) - we are talking specifically about the
>> undertaking of lane hoggers - you jumped in and told us that it is
>> perfectly legal.
>
> The HC and the CPS document make no distinction for 'lane hogging'.

Apart from the 2 lines that say undertaking is considered 'dangerous
driving' and lane hogging is 'inconsiderate driving'.