Undertaking MLOCers - pet hate
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From: GT on 3 Aug 2010 05:33 "Chris Bartram" <news(a)delete-me.piglet-net.net> wrote in message news:i37bsf$dek$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > On 02/08/10 12:14, Chelsea Tractor Man wrote: >> On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:07:43 +0100, GT wrote: >> >>> I frequently see 1 car in L1 doing maybe 60 and then a stream of cars in >>> L2 >>> doing 65-70. The L2 'convoy' trails back for 10+ car lengths, but they >>> all >>> just sit there in L2. There is no reason for them all to be in L2 - they >>> are >>> not overtaking anything. >> >> I used to work with a guy who admitted to just sitting in L2 "because its >> easier". > i know someone who does the same 'because it's safer'. <boggle>. The only conceivable explanation for that is the phenomenon we see at night - very quiet motorway and people tend to drive along in the middle lane - I presume this is to give them a greater change of survival should they fall asleep!
From: Adrian on 3 Aug 2010 05:35 "GT" <a(a)b.c> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> No, it *can* be used as evidence for a dwdca charge, not dd. Nothing >> makes it illegal per se. > So undertaking is covered by the dwdca law then? Driving without due care and attention is covered by "the dwdca law". Passing to the left might be a symptom of that, yes. But so might bimbling along with an empty lane to your left.
From: GT on 3 Aug 2010 05:48 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:3j5g0nv3o50k$.s03ut8w5fjh1$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:31:16 +0100, GT wrote: > >>> Which law do you think covers that? >> >> You mean there isn't one? So its legal? OK, you ask the policeman who >> stops >> you to explain it. > > "only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn > right, and there is room to do so > stay in your lane if traffic is moving slowly in queues. If the queue on > your right is moving more slowly than you are, you may pass on the left" > > no specific law but the Highway code says do not do it. > "Careless driving It is a question of fact as to whether driving is > careless. The standard of care and attention is an objective one, in no > way > related to the degree of proficiency or degree of experience attained by > the individual driver. A learner driver can quite easily be convicted of > an > offence. A driver who continues driving when overtaken by sleep is guilty > of at least careless driving. Similarly, it is no defence that the driving > was due to an error of judgement, although a driver may not be convicted > if > he was driving prudently and, confronted with a sudden emergency, made a > wrong decision in the agony of the moment. > > A defendant will have driven 'without due care and attention' if his > driving has departed from the standard of care and skill that would, in > the > circumstances of the case, have been exercised by a reasonable, prudent > and > competent driver. The application of this standard enables this offence to > cover cases ranging from momentary lapses in concentration or minor errors > of judgement to deliberately bad or dangerous driving which, nevertheless, > falls short of dangerous driving contrary to section....... " > > I assume ignoring the HC constitutes carelessness or "delibrate bad > driving" So the policeman who stops Nick for undertaking will have an answer when Nick tells him that it is not illegal and there are no laws against it!! I suspect he might be a little briefer about his explanation tho! Thanks Chelsea!
From: GT on 3 Aug 2010 05:53 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:uecbc7gsons8$.9dmai1nvfbsc$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:33:48 +0100, GT wrote: > >> The only conceivable explanation for that is the phenomenon we see at >> night - very quiet motorway and people tend to drive along in the middle >> lane - I presume this is to give them a greater change of survival should >> they fall asleep! > > I use the middle lane on *empty* motorways, you avoid the lorry ruts, you > maximise distance from any possible hazards and have equal ability to take > avoiding action left and right. If a car comes up behind I move left so it > can overtake (hopefully) with an empty lane between us. Should I fail to > see the car it still has a lane free. OK, cue the pedant and subsequent argument - "the motorway isn't empty if you and another car are on it". ;-)
From: Brimstone on 3 Aug 2010 06:42
"Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:uecbc7gsons8$.9dmai1nvfbsc$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:33:48 +0100, GT wrote: > >> The only conceivable explanation for that is the phenomenon we see at >> night - very quiet motorway and people tend to drive along in the middle >> lane - I presume this is to give them a greater change of survival should >> they fall asleep! > > I use the middle lane on *empty* motorways, you avoid the lorry ruts, you > maximise distance from any possible hazards and have equal ability to take > avoiding action left and right. And you are also a lane further away from the hard should and relative safety. |