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From: Nate Nagel on 23 Jan 2010 16:29
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
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> "N8N" <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Well, DUI checkpoints *are* an affront to anyone who believes in the
>> Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the basic right of people to not
>> live in a police state.
>
> I believe in all those things.
>
> And I'm perfectly comfortable with DUI checkpoints.

Then you don't deserve to live in this fine country.

nate

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From: Nate Nagel on 23 Jan 2010 16:51
necromancer wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:29:51 -0500, Nate Nagel <njnagel(a)roosters.net>
> wrote:
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>> Then you don't deserve to live in this fine country.
>
> What country is that, Nate?
>
> --
> "I love this country...
> ...and the freedoms we used to have..."
> --George Carlin

are you still using a sigmonster or just picking them by hand, now?

nate

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From: Nate Nagel on 23 Jan 2010 17:34
necromancer wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:51:07 -0500, Nate Nagel <njnagel(a)roosters.net>
> wrote:
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>> necromancer wrote:
>>> On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:29:51 -0500, Nate Nagel <njnagel(a)roosters.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Then you don't deserve to live in this fine country.
>>> What country is that, Nate?
>>>
>>> --
>>> "I love this country...
>>> ...and the freedoms we used to have..."
>>> --George Carlin
>> are you still using a sigmonster
>
> ??
>
>> or just picking them by hand, now?
>
> My newsreader has a pulldown menu to choose a .sig. Same as it always
> has...
>
> --
> necromancer - ECHM

I thought you just had a script that picked them at random. guess I
must have been thinking of someone else.

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From: Nate Nagel on 23 Jan 2010 18:21
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
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> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote in message
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>> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>>>
>>> "N8N" <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:29d81ac4-e19b-453a-a952-ff816356ed7a(a)e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> Well, DUI checkpoints *are* an affront to anyone who believes in the
>>>> Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the basic right of people to not
>>>> live in a police state.
>>>
>>> I believe in all those things.
>>>
>>> And I'm perfectly comfortable with DUI checkpoints.
>>
>> Then you don't deserve to live in this fine country.
>
>
> Actually, it's anyone with opinions like that, that doesn't deserve to
> live in this fine country.

Sorry, I'm not the one advocating a police state. YOU may be perfectly
OK with being detained without suspicious of guilt, but it offends me
deeply, as does the fact that anyone could think that that is acceptable.

I'll just send the cops by your house at about 2 AM tomorrow, just to
make sure you're not up to anything you shouldn't be. Oh, wait, you
have a problem with that? Gee, I wonder why? And yet you're OK with
DUI checkpoints? Cognitive dissonance much?

nate

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From: Nate Nagel on 23 Jan 2010 18:59
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
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> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote in message
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>> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>>>
>>> "Nate Nagel" <njnagel(a)roosters.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hjfpoh1krm(a)news6.newsguy.com...
>>>> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "N8N" <njnagel(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:29d81ac4-e19b-453a-a952-ff816356ed7a(a)e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, DUI checkpoints *are* an affront to anyone who believes in the
>>>>>> Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the basic right of people to
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> live in a police state.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe in all those things.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'm perfectly comfortable with DUI checkpoints.
>>>>
>>>> Then you don't deserve to live in this fine country.
>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, it's anyone with opinions like that, that doesn't deserve
>>> to live in this fine country.
>>
>> Sorry, I'm not the one advocating a police state.
>
> Don't look at me, dude.
>
> I think an armed society is a polite society.
>
> It's your type that depends on police for security and protection.
>
> I don't need them at all.
>
>> YOU may be perfectly OK with being detained without suspicious of
>> guilt, but it offends me deeply, as does the fact that anyone could
>> think that that is acceptable.
>>
>> I'll just send the cops by your house at about 2 AM tomorrow, just to
>> make sure you're not up to anything you shouldn't be.
>
> See, this is actually what passes for rational thought for your type.

What exactly is "my type?" Besides "people who have actually read the
Bill of Rights?"

>
>> Oh, wait, you have a problem with that? Gee, I wonder why? And yet
>> you're OK with DUI checkpoints? Cognitive dissonance much?
>
> No similarity at all, except in the truly paranoid mind.

It's exactly the same thing. I'm being detained by an armed law
enforcement officer despite the absence of any articulable suspicion of
my being in violation of any law. Never mind the fact that DUI
checkpoints are inferior to roving patrols in their stated goal, that
being to get intoxicated drivers off the roads. (but they're probably
better at their unstated goals, which is giving officers the opportunity
to "legally" observe individuals at closer proximity than they otherwise
would; similar to pulling someone over for "speeding" because of a
suspicion of something else, while also placating MADD busybodies.)

Yes, I'm a little sensitive on the subject, living as I do in an area
which was DUI checkpoint hell a few years ago. For a period of time, it
seemed like I got stopped every time I was out after midnight, and it
was never a simple stop and go - always a huge traffic nightmare. One
time I was caught in a massive backup on I-66 for about 45 minutes (now
that I think about it, very close to my current residence) - you guessed
it, they set up a checkpoint on an Interstate highway! And God forbid
that you don't recognize the checkpoint for what it is and pull a U-turn
- had a friend almost go to jail because he turned around in a 7-11
parking lot because he saw a long backup ahead. Cops wanted to arrest
him for "evading" the checkpoint. He was stone cold sober at the time.

Now what do you think the safety implications are of causing a massive
traffic jam late at night (or early in the morning, depending on your
perspective) when the majority of drivers are already tired and on their
way home to go to bed, and making them sit in traffic for anywhere from
30 minutes to an hour?

nate

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