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From: gpsman on 8 Jun 2010 10:59
On Jun 7, 12:15 am, Harry K <turnkey4...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 6, 7:26 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So you watched that video, and yet you still claim that the SUV driver
> > is in the right and the tanker truck driver is the MFFY?
>
> > There's literally no hope for you.
>
> No, I didnt' watch it due to being on dial-up.

<snicker> Another assumption proved false.

After being obviously wrong about 1000 times you'd think a guy might
start to question the accuracy of his assumptions.
-----

- gpsman
From: Arif Khokar on 9 Jun 2010 03:03
On 6/8/2010 11:16 PM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:

> Except that in the context of vehicles passing vehicles, bicycles are
> totally irrelevant.

Ok, here's a question for you Daniel.

Scenario: You're traveling in the right lane going 70 mph in a 70 mph
zone on a highway somewhere in California. Ahead of you is a truck
going 55 mph and ahead of it is another truck going 52 mph. As you get
around 300 feet behind the truck, you switch lanes to pass. When you
get to be 250 feet behind the truck, the truck switches lanes to pass
the other truck and you have to slow down to 55 mph.

Questions: Was what the truck did MFFY? Is the truck a reasonable speed
passer? Are you a MFFY speeder going too fast for traffic conditions?

Scenario 2: You're driving in the right lane going 70 mph catching up to
the trucks described in the first scenario. Behind you is another car
going 85 mph. That 85 mph car is about 250 feet behind you and pulls
out to pass. You then pull out to pass the truck right when the other
car is about 200 feet behind you and you force him to slow down.

Questions: Was what you did MFFY? Are you a reasonable speed passer?
Is the 85 mph driver behind you a MFFY speeder going too fast for
traffic conditions?

Scenario 3: You're driving along going 35 in a 35 mph zone on a 2-lane
undivided road. 300 feet ahead, you see a pair of cyclists ahead. As
you get 200 feet behind, one cyclist going 20 mph pulls out to pass
another cyclist going 17 mph making you slow down from 35 to 20 mph.

Questions: Was what the cyclist did MFFY? Is the cyclist a reasonable
speed passer? Are you a MFFY speeder going too fast for traffic conditions?

Scenario 4: You're driving along the same road as in scenario 3. You
catch up to a farm tractor going 20 mph. You're forced to slow down.

Questions: Was what the tractor driver did MFFY? Are you a MFFY
speeder going too fast for conditions?
From: Daniel W. Rouse Jr. on 9 Jun 2010 10:06

"Arif Khokar" <akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu> wrote in message
news:l1HPn.33384$Da4.40(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
> On 6/8/2010 11:16 PM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>
>> Except that in the context of vehicles passing vehicles, bicycles are
>> totally irrelevant.
>
> Ok, here's a question for you Daniel.
>
> Scenario: You're traveling in the right lane going 70 mph in a 70 mph zone
> on a highway somewhere in California. Ahead of you is a truck going 55
> mph and ahead of it is another truck going 52 mph. As you get around 300
> feet behind the truck, you switch lanes to pass. When you get to be 250
> feet behind the truck, the truck switches lanes to pass the other truck
> and you have to slow down to 55 mph.
>
> Questions: Was what the truck did MFFY? Is the truck a reasonable speed
> passer? Are you a MFFY speeder going too fast for traffic conditions?
>
Such a close proximity lane change, of course the truck is MFFY. Absent of
any forced lane reduction due to an accident or construction, that's not a
safe lane change at the speeds specified.

> Scenario 2: You're driving in the right lane going 70 mph catching up to
> the trucks described in the first scenario. Behind you is another car
> going 85 mph. That 85 mph car is about 250 feet behind you and pulls out
> to pass. You then pull out to pass the truck right when the other car is
> about 200 feet behind you and you force him to slow down.
>
> Questions: Was what you did MFFY? Are you a reasonable speed passer? Is
> the 85 mph driver behind you a MFFY speeder going too fast for traffic
> conditions?
>
Of course that's another close proximity lane change, again, that's MFFY.
But I wouldn't do that type of lane change, so that scenario is void as far
as how I would ever drive.

> Scenario 3: You're driving along going 35 in a 35 mph zone on a 2-lane
> undivided road. 300 feet ahead, you see a pair of cyclists ahead. As you
> get 200 feet behind, one cyclist going 20 mph pulls out to pass another
> cyclist going 17 mph making you slow down from 35 to 20 mph.
>
> Questions: Was what the cyclist did MFFY? Is the cyclist a reasonable
> speed passer? Are you a MFFY speeder going too fast for traffic
> conditions?
>
Again, a close proximity passing move, definitely MFFY. The cyclist is not a
reasonable speed passer with respect to the motor vehicle speeds on the
road. Doing 35mph in a 35mph posted speed limit zone is never speeding,
unless there are some seriously adverse road or weather conditions (then the
basic speed law in my state prevails), so of course I am not an MFFY
speeder.

> Scenario 4: You're driving along the same road as in scenario 3. You
> catch up to a farm tractor going 20 mph. You're forced to slow down.
>
> Questions: Was what the tractor driver did MFFY? Are you a MFFY speeder
> going too fast for conditions?

No lane change is being done, and if a lane exists to the left I can pass
the tractor. Otherwise, no the tractor is not MFFY unless (based on the
vehicle code in my state) being followed by five vehicles, then they must
turn out and let traffic behind them proceed. Sometimes traffic conditions
require slowing down, that's why the brake pedal exists, not just to bring
the vehicle to a complete stop for traffic signals, stop lights, and when
parking.

All that said--I don't see how ANY of those scenarios relates to already
being in the lane and the other vehicle 1000 or more feet behind but driving
faster than the passing speed catches up before the pass is complete? That's
right, none of those do, even the last one if it's only one lane in each
direction (i.e., a two lane road).

From: Arif Khokar on 9 Jun 2010 12:34
On 6/9/2010 10:06 AM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>
> "Arif Khokar" <akhokar1234(a)wvu.edu> wrote in message
> news:l1HPn.33384$Da4.40(a)unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> On 6/8/2010 11:16 PM, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> Except that in the context of vehicles passing vehicles, bicycles are
>>> totally irrelevant.
>>
>> Ok, here's a question for you Daniel.
>>
>> Scenario: You're traveling in the right lane going 70 mph in a 70 mph
>> zone on a highway somewhere in California. Ahead of you is a truck
>> going 55 mph and ahead of it is another truck going 52 mph. As you get
>> around 300 feet behind the truck, you switch lanes to pass. When you
>> get to be 250 feet behind the truck, the truck switches lanes to pass
>> the other truck and you have to slow down to 55 mph.
>>
>> Questions: Was what the truck did MFFY? Is the truck a reasonable
>> speed passer? Are you a MFFY speeder going too fast for traffic
>> conditions?
>>
> Such a close proximity lane change, of course the truck is MFFY.

Again, you're going 70 mph, and the truck is going 55 mph. At a
distance of 250 feet, it would take you a little over 11 seconds to
catch up to the truck. So you're saying that a gap that takes 11
seconds to close is a "close proximity lane change?"

Given that clarification, do you still believe that what the truck did
was MFFY?

>> Scenario 2: You're driving in the right lane going 70 mph catching up
>> to the trucks described in the first scenario. Behind you is another
>> car going 85 mph. That 85 mph car is about 250 feet behind you and
>> pulls out to pass. You then pull out to pass the truck right when the
>> other car is about 200 feet behind you and you force him to slow down.
>>
>> Questions: Was what you did MFFY? Are you a reasonable speed passer?
>> Is the 85 mph driver behind you a MFFY speeder going too fast for
>> traffic conditions?
>>
> Of course that's another close proximity lane change, again,

Again, you're going 70 mph, and the driver behind you is going 85 mph.
At a distance of 250 feet, it would take a little over 11 seconds for
the 85 mph driver to catch up to you after you make your lane change.

Given that clarification, is what you did still MFFY?


> MFFY. But I wouldn't do that type of lane change, so that scenario is
> void as far as how I would ever drive.

So you're saying that if someone going 85 mph is about 11 seconds from
catching up to you, you wouldn't change lanes to pass and force them to
slow down?

>> Scenario 3: You're driving along going 35 in a 35 mph zone on a 2-lane
>> undivided road. 300 feet ahead, you see a pair of cyclists ahead. As
>> you get 200 feet behind, one cyclist going 20 mph pulls out to pass
>> another cyclist going 17 mph making you slow down from 35 to 20 mph.
>>
>> Questions: Was what the cyclist did MFFY? Is the cyclist a reasonable
>> speed passer? Are you a MFFY speeder going too fast for traffic
>> conditions?
>>
> Again, a close proximity passing move, definitely MFFY.

Again, you're going 35 mph and the cyclist is going 20 mph. The same 11
second figure applies as mentioned above. Is what the cyclist still MFFY?

> The cyclist is
> not a reasonable speed passer with respect to the motor vehicle speeds
> on the road.

If you could clarify the term "reasonable speed passer," are you
referring to the absolute speed of the person passing, or the relative
speed of the person passing versus to person behind passed? I was
thinking the latter. I would certainly consider a 3 mph speed
differential far below a reasonable passing speed while a 12 mph
differential is more or less reasonable.

> Doing 35mph in a 35mph posted speed limit zone is never
> speeding, unless there are some seriously adverse road or weather
> conditions (then the basic speed law in my state prevails), so of course
> I am not an MFFY speeder.

Suppose that there are a lot of pedestrians around, then what?

>> Scenario 4: You're driving along the same road as in scenario 3. You
>> catch up to a farm tractor going 20 mph. You're forced to slow down.
>>
>> Questions: Was what the tractor driver did MFFY? Are you a MFFY
>> speeder going too fast for conditions?
>
> No lane change is being done, and if a lane exists to the left I can
> pass the tractor. Otherwise, no the tractor is not MFFY unless (based on
> the vehicle code in my state) being followed by five vehicles, then they
> must turn out and let traffic behind them proceed.

I forgot to add that he pulled out onto the road about 500 feet ahead of
you in the original scenario (sorry, I was a bit tired when composing my
previous post and omitted that critical fact).

> All that said--I don't see how ANY of those scenarios relates to already
> being in the lane and the other vehicle 1000 or more feet behind but
> driving faster than the passing speed catches up before the pass is
> complete?

At a 1000 or more feet, it would take a vehicle going 15 mph faster at
least 45 seconds to catch up to you. If you're passing at a reasonable
rate, then you should easily complete your pass before such a vehicle
could possibly catch up.
From: kilton9 on 10 Jun 2010 12:29
On Jun 10, 7:33 am, gpsman <gps...(a)driversmail.com> wrote:
>
> Obviously, since there is nothing to suggest any of the sort occurs in
> the video.

So now you're defending the video that you tried to say didn't exist
not 2 days ago?

It's almost like there are two different gpsmen posting here! Both
idiots, but two different people nonetheless. :-)
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