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From: Michael on 14 Mar 2007 23:41 10/12 - where do we stand withour money ? Some how we must get something back from ebay - does anyone live in Bundy ? "Moby" <newsgroups(a)NOSPAM.AND.EGGS.moby58.com> wrote in message news:b5hhv2d89akii94q93e4n7dfeq193l9om0(a)4ax.com... > k, > > How long ago ya buy it? > > Got it yet? > > White pages show him at 10 Pierson Street, Bundaberg, tel 07 4154 3393 > > As mentioned, phone was connected, but now disconnected. > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:38:45 GMT, "Michael" <bta2007(a)bigpond.net.au> > wrote: > >>yes this is the guy - i paid $915 for my item and he claimed it was held >>by >>australia post as it was sent via COD - I have the receipt right here for >>the payment to him >> >> >>"Moby" <newsgroups(a)NOSPAM.AND.EGGS.moby58.com> wrote in message >>news:70dhv21131nre04uihmmh2gk7037201kp0(a)4ax.com... >>> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:40:56 GMT, "Michael" <bta2007(a)bigpond.net.au> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>what was his ebay ID ? >>> >>> wholesale_marine >>> >>>> >>>>:( >>>> >>>>I have been stubng by this man also im pretty sure >>>>"Moby" <newsgroups(a)NOSPAM.AND.EGGS.moby58.com> wrote in message >>>>news:ssahv2hfb2ilb0va0cf5haismlrq9ak4bp(a)4ax.com... >>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>> >>>>> As he frequents this group, I would advise against buying anything >>>>> from Garry Beattie, also trading as Wholesale Marine Australia, and >>>>> Discount Marine World >>>>> >>>>> In December bought a new Navman 4433 Fishfinder from his auction on >>>>> eBay. >>>>> >>>>> Finally got to fit it and try out in Feb. Item was faulty, with >>>>> erratic readings. >>>>> >>>>> Emailed Garry, and he said send it back, and he would replace it, as >>>>> it would be quicker than sending off to get repaired. >>>>> >>>>> Emailed him several times over the next 4 weeks. >>>>> >>>>> Fianlly answers an email, and says he has sent it off for repair. >>>>> >>>>> I reminded him, that he would send a new replacement, and he emailed >>>>> back to say that they dont manufacture the 4433 anymore. >>>>> >>>>> I emailed Navman Australia, and they said that is incorrect, they >>>>> certainly do manufacture the unit, and they have not received any >>>>> 4433's from Bunderberg, Garry, or his companies in the last 2 months. >>>>> >>>>> I have emailed him several more times, with no response. >>>>> >>>>> Have also left messages on his answering machine, with no response. >>>>> >>>>> I see that he is no longer registered on eBay. and also his phone >>>>> number that was working, is now disconnected. >>>>> >>>>> I have the bank investigating possible charge back on card. If no luck >>>>> there, and I havent received a replacement, then I will pass the >>>>> matter onto the police for further action. >>>>> >>>>> For info, he does use an email spam service, and only senders that >>>>> have been verified get emails thru to him. Mine has been verified. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Moby >>>>> >>>>> =================================================================== >>>>> Alan Stuart downunder in Perth, Oz >>>>> Email: newsgroups(a)NOSPAM.AND.EGGS.moby58.com >>>>> Homepage: http://www.moby58.com >>>>> Local Weather: http://mobywx.ozflightsim.com/wx >>>>> Stuff for sale: http://www.moby58.com/forsale >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> * Remove NOSPAM.AND.EGGS. from email address for replies. >>>>> >>>>> And just to try and stop spammers: >>>>> tosspam(a)aol.com, abuse(a)aol.com, abuse(a)yahoo.com, abuse(a)hotmail.com, >>>>> abuse(a)msn.com, abuse(a)sprint.com, abuse(a)earthlink.com, uce(a)ftc.gov, >>>>> spamcop(a)spamcop.net >>>>> >>>>> Making life REAL hard for spammers with: >>>>> http://members.iinet.net.au/~shades2/spamtrap.html >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Moby >>> >>> =================================================================== >>> Alan Stuart downunder in Perth, Oz >>> Email: newsgroups(a)NOSPAM.AND.EGGS.moby58.com >>> Homepage: http://www.moby58.com >>> Local Weather: http://mobywx.ozflightsim.com/wx >>> Stuff for sale: http://www.moby58.com/forsale >>> >>> >>> * Remove NOSPAM.AND.EGGS. from email address for replies. >>> >>> And just to try and stop spammers: >>> tosspam(a)aol.com, abuse(a)aol.com, abuse(a)yahoo.com, abuse(a)hotmail.com, >>> abuse(a)msn.com, abuse(a)sprint.com, abuse(a)earthlink.com, uce(a)ftc.gov, >>> spamcop(a)spamcop.net >>> >>> Making life REAL hard for spammers with: >>> http://members.iinet.net.au/~shades2/spamtrap.html >> > > > > Regards, > > Moby > > =================================================================== > Alan Stuart downunder in Perth, Oz > Email: newsgroups(a)NOSPAM.AND.EGGS.moby58.com > Homepage: http://www.moby58.com > Local Weather: http://mobywx.ozflightsim.com/wx > Stuff for sale: http://www.moby58.com/forsale > > > * Remove NOSPAM.AND.EGGS. from email address for replies. > > And just to try and stop spammers: > tosspam(a)aol.com, abuse(a)aol.com, abuse(a)yahoo.com, abuse(a)hotmail.com, > abuse(a)msn.com, abuse(a)sprint.com, abuse(a)earthlink.com, uce(a)ftc.gov, > spamcop(a)spamcop.net > > Making life REAL hard for spammers with: > http://members.iinet.net.au/~shades2/spamtrap.html
From: Biggus..... on 15 Mar 2007 07:35 >10/12 - where do we stand withour money ? He stands good with your bux. >Some how we must get something back from ebay - does anyone live in Bundy ? time for a road trip, take a holiday and visit in person.
From: Michael on 15 Mar 2007 20:47 we might need a bus with all the people he has ripped - pick me up on your way up there "Biggus....." <fu_kew__MYKNICKERS(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7qbiv25c6m0505lrqsf3o9cvnob4p3a90q(a)4ax.com... > >>10/12 - where do we stand withour money ? > He stands good with your bux. > > >>Some how we must get something back from ebay - does anyone live in Bundy >>? > time for a road trip, take a holiday and visit in person.
From: Garry Beattie on 29 Mar 2007 06:28 Well this has certainly made for some very interesting reading I must say, not to mention the defamation and slander angles. Just to set the record straight for the others who are within this group, the following are the facts. Yes Moby did buy a fish finder off us and, as he said, it was delivered to him. Yes he did have a warranty claim which is currently being serviced. His unit IS being fixed under warranty right now. Moby had a major dummy spit because we would not replace the unit, even though he had had it for quite a few months. Yes I was happy to replace it for him (which is what we usually do) but Navman advised us they could not supply any more of that model. After a number of abusive emails where by we were accused of just about everything under the sun, intermixed with some very colourful language, we decided to end our communication with him and just send the unit back to him once it was repaired. This is still our plan and we do not intend swaying from it. Moby has not been ripped off, he has just had a major meltdown because we refused to bow to his tantrums. In fairness to Moby though, he has been fed the wrong information from a 3rd party which, understandably, has raised his stress levels. As far as Micheal goes, well Michael perhaps you can email us some more information. We have never, and will never, send any item COD. If the item was sent to you COD, and you did pay for it, then why did you not pick it up at the time you paid for it? That is what COD is all about. We are not in the market of ripping people off so if you are genuine, and you have not received what you paid for, please email us at the email address which is always attached to my post's on any newsgroup, and I will certainly do my best to rectify the problem. PLEASE EMAIL ME SO WE CAN SORT THIS OUT FOR YOU. As for some other issues raised:- Yes we no longer trade on eBay as the fees are way to expensive ($7,000 per month) and the amount of headaches we get from unrealistic customers, just does not make it worth while. Yes our web site is down at present, but only for remodelling and relaunching with new products and services. Yes our phone has been disconnected because we moved!! We have not done a runner, we have simply moved to a better home. Yes we do run an anti spam program on our emails, which anyone can get through simply by verifying that they are a genuine person and not a machine harvesting emails. We don't pick and choose who we authorise. You do that yourslef and that is what Moby did. Yes we did have some unhappy customers over Christmas due to a major supplier going belly up on us and taking just over $20,000 of our cash with him. We have worked with those people who did order and have just about got everyone their product, a replacement product or their refund. I really do not feel comfortable discussing further details of our business and private life here, and will probably not respond to any more post's about the subject, but I am happy to talk to people in private, via email, if anyone else has any concerns. Best regards Garry
From: Moby on 29 Mar 2007 11:38
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:28:52 +1000, "Garry Beattie" <gjbeattie(a)iinet.net.au> wrote: >Well this has certainly made for some very interesting reading I must say, >not to mention the defamation and slander angles. > >Just to set the record straight for the others who are within this group, >the following are the facts. > >Yes Moby did buy a fish finder off us and, as he said, it was delivered to >him. >Yes he did have a warranty claim which is currently being serviced. His unit >IS being fixed under warranty right now. >Moby had a major dummy spit because we would not replace the unit, even >though he had had it for quite a few months. No, Moby had a 'dummy spit' because civil emails were spasmodically answered, and phone messages were never answered. >Yes I was happy to replace it for him (which is what we usually do) but >Navman advised us they could not supply any more of that model. Navman advised me they still do make that model. Who do I believe?? >After a number of abusive emails where by we were accused of just about >everything under the sun, intermixed with some very colourful language, we >decided to end our communication with him and just send the unit back to him >once it was repaired. This is still our plan and we do not intend swaying >from it. Abusive emails were sent due to lack of answering to civil emails. Abusive emails were the few ones answered. If you had responded to my emails IN A TIMELY MANNER, there would not have been abusive emails. >Moby has not been ripped off, he has just had a major meltdown because we >refused to bow to his tantrums. In fairness to Moby though, he has been fed >the wrong information from a 3rd party which, understandably, has raised his >stress levels. The 'meltdown' was due to unanswered emails and calls, conflicting information from Garry and Navman, ebay account no longer registered, several negative feedback stating item not received or delays in receiving, webpage closed down with 'account suspended' displayed on page, phone being disconnected. What do you think people think with all that? My 'meltdown' was concern that I was not going to receive my item back. This is still my concern. Nearly 8 weeks since returned. > >As far as Micheal goes, well Michael perhaps you can email us some more >information. >We have never, and will never, send any item COD. If the item was sent to >you COD, and you did pay for it, then why did you not pick it up at the time >you paid for it? That is what COD is all about. >We are not in the market of ripping people off so if you are genuine, and >you have not received what you paid for, please email us at the email >address which is always attached to my post's on any newsgroup, and I will >certainly do my best to rectify the problem. > >PLEASE EMAIL ME SO WE CAN SORT THIS OUT FOR YOU. Garry, if people email you, YOU NEED TO RESPOND in a timely manner, not wait until frustration boils over to abuse. You also need to keep your word. If you say you will send a replacement unit, send a replacement unit. If you say you will send a RO number, send a RO number. >As for some other issues raised:- >Yes we no longer trade on eBay as the fees are way to expensive ($7,000 per >month) and the amount of headaches we get from unrealistic customers, just >does not make it worth while. >Yes our web site is down at present, but only for remodelling and >relaunching with new products and services. You should then have a 'home page' stating that, as a redirection to a page that says 'account suspended' does not look good! >Yes our phone has been disconnected because we moved!! We have not done a >runner, we have simply moved to a better home. >Yes we do run an anti spam program on our emails, which anyone can get >through simply by verifying that they are a genuine person and not a machine >harvesting emails. We don't pick and choose who we authorise. You do that >yourslef and that is what Moby did. Which is very strange why the young guy I spoke to on 27th Feb, 2007 at 3.40pm WDST stated that you get 'hundreds of spam emails a day'. >Yes we did have some unhappy customers over Christmas due to a major >supplier going belly up on us and taking just over $20,000 of our cash with >him. We have worked with those people who did order and have just about got >everyone their product, a replacement product or their refund. IF you are genuine, and this has happened, I am sorry to hear. But you still have obligations to your customers, that you need to honour. I did my part of the bargain, I paid for the unit within minutes of the auction ending. All I ask is that you communicate IN A TIMELY MANNER, and you honour your word. > >I really do not feel comfortable discussing further details of our business >and private life here, and will probably not respond to any more post's >about the subject, but I am happy to talk to people in private, via email, >if anyone else has any concerns. Then ANSWER YOUR EMAILS in a timely manner! >Best regards > >Garry > > > Regards, Moby =================================================================== Alan Stuart downunder in Perth, Oz Email: newsgroups(a)NOSPAM.AND.EGGS.moby58.com Homepage: http://www.moby58.com Local Weather: http://mobywx.ozflightsim.com/wx Stuff for sale: http://www.moby58.com/forsale * Remove NOSPAM.AND.EGGS. from email address for replies. 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