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From: Spooky on 31 Mar 2010 04:51 "Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message > That is what I heard happened too. Presumably it was a > borrowed or hired car - if you are in a vehicle that you are > not familiar with, and it is moderatly high powered, it is > very easy to accidentally spin the wheels. But even if it Oh Rubbish! If you really believe that, or are so incapable, hand your licence in. > was deliberate, so what? Wheel spin is noisy, and is > annoying when someone does it in a quiet suburban street at > night while trying to put the baby to sleep, but it is It's also illegal. wheel spin, burnouts, donuts...such an antisocial behaviour that deserves harsh deterrent penalties. Grow up. If you want to do burnouts, do them in your own driveway and leave black marks on that. Not on our streets. > hardly a super-dangerous offence. Neither is not wearing P Plates, but still illegal. Burnouts have the potential to be dangerous, but more than that, it is a total hoodlum offence that is socially unacceptable. >Who's more likely to be > dangerous - the bloke yabbering on his mobile phone totally > unaware of his surroundings, or the bloke who spins his Both. Ever seen an axle break when one of these clowns does a burnout? i have. > wheels in a moment of hot-blooded revelry? Now that you've > answered that, who gets the larger penalty? And who deserves it? FFS !!! Spooky
From: Doug Jewell on 31 Mar 2010 06:15 Spooky wrote: > > > "Doug Jewell" <ask(a)and.maybe.ill.tell.you> wrote in message >> That is what I heard happened too. Presumably it was a borrowed or >> hired car - if you are in a vehicle that you are not familiar with, >> and it is moderatly high powered, it is very easy to accidentally spin >> the wheels. But even if it > > Oh Rubbish! If you really believe that, or are so incapable, > hand your licence in. I've had wheel-spin taking off from lights on my 50cc moped with it's CVT, and me weighing 110kg perched above the back wheel. Now under normal conditions a full-throttle takeoff results in the engine being bogged down and a slow leisurely start. But with the wrong road surface, or a bit of spilt oil/diesel anything is possible. > >> was deliberate, so what? Wheel spin is noisy, and is annoying when >> someone does it in a quiet suburban street at night while trying to >> put the baby to sleep, but it is > > It's also illegal. wheel spin, burnouts, donuts...such an antisocial > behaviour that deserves harsh deterrent penalties. Grow up. If > you want to do burnouts, do them in your own driveway and leave > black marks on that. Not on our streets. > >> hardly a super-dangerous offence. > > Neither is not wearing P Plates, but still illegal. Burnouts > have the potential to be dangerous, but more than that, it is a total > hoodlum offence that is socially unacceptable. burnouts yes, a little wheelspin from taking off at the lights, no. > >> Who's more likely to be dangerous - the bloke yabbering on his mobile >> phone totally unaware of his surroundings, or the bloke who spins his > > Both. Ever seen an axle break when one of these clowns does a burnout? > i have. Are we even talking about the same thing? As I understand it, Hamilton had a bit of wheelslip as he took off from the lights. Easily done. A "burnout" is where you put the car in a state where it is continuously spinning the driving wheels, and is usually achieved by "line-locking" or donuts. I've seen some pretty crook things happen from real burnouts, can't say I've ever seen anything serious happen from a bit of spin taking off from the lights. As for your comment about breaking an axle - that's more likely to happen with a hard takeoff without wheelspin. The instant the wheels start to spin, the friction decreases, hence resulting in less torque on the axle. I've seen axles break, uni's disintegrate, diff's break, gearboxes break, and in every case the break happened at the instant the clutch was dropped, not after the wheels had been spinning. >> wheels in a moment of hot-blooded revelry? Now that you've answered >> that, who gets the larger penalty? > > And who deserves it? Someone doing a donut on a public road probably does deserve to have his car confiscated. But someone who has a little wheel spin taking off, (especially when that person is experienced in driving high-powered cars to their limits) will be in far better control of the motor vehicle than a typical mobile phone user. > > FFS !!! > > Spooky > -- What is the difference between a duck?
From: Neil Gerace on 31 Mar 2010 06:20 D Walford wrote: > Why, if its not illegal where he come from and it probably isn't it > could make a huge difference. Ignorance of the law ought not to be a defence.
From: Neil Gerace on 31 Mar 2010 06:24 John McKenzie wrote: > There's a video or three on you-tube from saudi Arabia (I think) where > they drift on straght public roads, and clean up a few people in the > process. I've seen some of those, but Saudi Arabia is a special place. There's a whole class of people there to whom the law applies ... differently.
From: Neil Gerace on 31 Mar 2010 06:25
D Walford wrote: > How do you know there were pedestrians present? Reports say there were crowds of people. They couldn't all have been seated in cars. |