From: Jason James on

"Noddy" <me(a)> wrote in message
> Most stuff made for the Japanese domestic market isn't expected to see
> much past 40k km's in Japan, and as a result isn't built with any
> longevity in mind. It's not uncommon to see engines from such cars be
> *very* tired after 50 or 60k km's, or bodywork starting to rust or suffer
> from other complaints before the things are too old, and you can see that
> real well in NZ.

Its hard to envisage an engine made for less than 100,000ks going by your
observations? How do they cut costs in engine manufacture? Presumabley thats
what they are shooting for.


From: Clocky on
bugalugs wrote:
> On 2/04/2010 3:12 a.m., Clocky wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> " Scotty"<scoter1(a)> wrote in message
>>> news:4bb48120$0$5621$afc38c87(a)
>>>> Why not let Jap imports into the country, that would boost all
>>>> sorts of new industry.
>>> What, sub woofer shops?
>>> New Zealand went crazy with grey imports, and in a relatively short
>>> time what was left of it's car industry was royally fucked because
>>> of it.
>> They were legally brought into WA for a while and it soon turned
>> into a disaster when it became apparent that all the imported stuff
>> was simply junk and whilst it drove the price of used cars down it
>> also flooded the market with utter shite.
>> I had a friend who bought a Honda Accord (called something else I
>> think but the same vehicle sold here as the Accord) with 50,000km on
>> the clock and it looked like new. Forward two years later and the
>> rust in the thing was astounding, the bubbles formed under the paint
>> and chunks of rust fell out leaving gaping holes. He lost his boot
>> lid whilst driving when the skin seperated from the rest of the
>> structure. My sister bought a Toyota Sprinter, also a Jap import and the
>> same
>> thing happened - it literally fell apart around her and when she
>> dropped a CV it was impossible to find one as it didn't match up to
>> any of the Australian models. I ended up making something work from
>> a Camira of all things.
> Sounds like they parked them below the high tide mark for them to rust
> and fall apart like that.
> I had a JDM Prelude, 4 wheel steer, straight off the boat from Japan
> not a mark on it, until the wife shortened it. Replaced it with a JDM 90
> Subaru GT wagon and 8 years later, only expense was replacing the R
> rear window winder mechanism and the rear shocks because of
> overloading. No sign of rust anywhere. (got SFA for it even though it was
> in excellent
> condition)
> For the last 4 years I have had a (second hand but NZ new) 02 Subaru
> GT Bilstein, twin turbo wagon (and a radar detector). Again no
> mechanical problems and no sign of rust anywhere. And I live less
> than 5K from the harbour.
> Parts are not a problem as the local stealership sell almost the same
> models and Subaru is the most popular brand imported.
> Toyota now work on the principal of 'if you can't beat, em join em'
> and as well as new vehicles bring in second hand JDM models. They
> refurbish them at their Thames plant (empty the ash trays and spray
> around a lot of air freshener) and sell them from their dealers as their
> Signature
> range.
> As a consumer it aint all bad.

I would hope they do a bit more because in Japan rust protection, some
integral safety and longevity are not a primary concern when a car doesn't
have to last beyond 5 years. Maybe that's what the refurbishing takes care

From: Clocky on
OzOne(a) wrote:
> You people have no idea!
> Of course they made a loss...they've spent zillions on developing a
> totally new model range, and introduced the new SIDI engine.
> They'll be writing off that cost for years.

Someone here gets it...

From: Noddy on

" Scotty" <scoter1(a)> wrote in message

> Nothing to do with the high salt content of NZ air at all?

I don't think there is anything particularly high about the salt content in
New Zealand's air.


From: Noddy on

" Scotty" <scoter1(a)> wrote in message

> I see what your trying to get at here, I really do.
> The thing is with the Jap imports into NZ is that around 10-15 years ago
> when the imports were
> allowed into NZ theow end finance companies actually bought ship loads of
> cars, sold them off at
> quite good prices through 3rd party yards. Where they made all thier money
> is the finance side of
> things. Of course only the lower economic demigraphic people bought like
> this and as they ended up
> paying so much in car payments they simply couldnt afford to service them.
> The comment of "going
> from 30 yr old cars to 5yr old ones" is very true. Of course a 30 yr old
> Holden could withstand not
> being services as much as a 5yr old Japanese unit and thier now 10 year
> old import failed
> prematurely due to lack of servicing and maintanance.

So, you're saying that every relatively new car that dies in NZ does so
through lack of maintenance?

> To confirm this all you need to do is go to the wreckers in those areas
> and see whats in the "newly
> aquired" piles.

There's plenty of wrecking yards in NZ full of late model cars, and a great
many of them aren't accident damaged. They presumably end up there because
they're work out (for whatever reason) and it's cheaper to buy a replacement
than it is to repair the old one. Car yards in NX are *full* of current and
very late model grey imports, and even though the NZ government has
tightened the rules with regard to imports it's very much a case of shuting
the gate after the horse has bolted.

> I beleive that Australia could do with some form of import market, its
> done wonders in NZ, Ireland,
> England etc.

It's done very little that's actually *positive* for New Zealand.

> In fact after NZ had had a few years of imports Ireland saw how good it
> was and they
> became the larest importers on Japanese 2nd hands cars in the world for a
> few years. It was then
> that the NZ market became a bit more expensive and even some of teh
> finance companies went under
> because of it.

Right. and the good bit was?