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From: JohnJohnsn on 22 Jun 2010 16:02 On Jun 22, 2:55 pm, Lookout <mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC), Brent > <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 2010-06-22, Brian Wraith <brianwra...(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On 6/22/2010 12:04 PM, Brent wrote: >>> >>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:01 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVET...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLook...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years. > >>>>>>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>>>>>> numbered. My life is my own." > >>>>>>> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government >>>>>>> knows everything about you. > >>>>>> Why do you support making it worse? > >>>>> It's your opinion that it would get worse. > >>>> Name a police state where your papers were checked routinely to make >>>> sure you were permitted to be in that country, work there, etc is one >>>> you would like to live in. > >>>>>> Seems you missed the reference, it's from "The Prisoner". >>>>>> Why do you wish to increase the imprisonment? > >>>>> That's your opinion. I disagree. > >>>> How turning the USA into a full blown 'paper's please' police >>>> state not make things worse? > >>> Name a single western country, where if you are stopped for >>>suspicion of being involved in a crime, you are not asked to >>> positively identify yourself. > >> What crime am I suspected of at a police checkpoint? > >>> The ignorant propaganda being spread by the "open border" >>> socialist /marxists is simply far too transparent. > >> Ahh another person who can't see through the programming. It's about >> power. Both the left and right love power. You want to see how national >> ID papers systems work? Pick a communist country and take a look. > > Last time I checked we're not a communist country. But you want to give Comrade Barack Hussein Obama Jr a second term so he will have enough time ....
From: Brent on 22 Jun 2010 16:18 On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC), Brent ><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On 2010-06-22, Brian Wraith <brianwraith(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote: >>> On 6/22/2010 12:04 PM, Brent wrote: >>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:01 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>>>>>> numbered. My life is my own." >>>>>> >>>>>>> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government >>>>>>> knows everything about you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do you support making it worse? >>>>> >>>>> It's your opinion that it would get worse. >>>> >>>> Name a police state where your papers were checked routinely to make >>>> sure you were permitted to be in that country, work there, etc is one >>>> you would like to live in. >>>> >>>>>> Seems you missed the reference, it's from "The Prisoner". Why do you >>>>>> wish to increase the imprisonment? >>>>> >>>>> That's your opinion. I disagree. >>>> >>>> How turning the USA into a full blown 'paper's please' police state not >>>> make things worse? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Name a single western country, where if you are stopped for suspicion of >>> being involved in a crime, you are not asked to positively identify >>> yourself. >> >>What crime am I suspected of at a police checkpoint? >> >>> The ignorant propaganda being spread by the "open border" socialist / >>> marxists is simply far too transparent. >> >>Ahh another person who can't see through the programming. It's about >>power. Both the left and right love power. You want to see how national >>ID papers systems work? Pick a communist country and take a look. >> > Last time I checked we're not a communist country. Read the communist manifesto and see how much has been implemented. But what makes you think our rulers are fundamentally better people than the rulers in other nations?
From: Lookout on 22 Jun 2010 16:23 On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:18:16 +0000 (UTC), Brent <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC), Brent >><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>>On 2010-06-22, Brian Wraith <brianwraith(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote: >>>> On 6/22/2010 12:04 PM, Brent wrote: >>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:01 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>>>>>>> numbered. My life is my own." >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government >>>>>>>> knows everything about you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why do you support making it worse? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's your opinion that it would get worse. >>>>> >>>>> Name a police state where your papers were checked routinely to make >>>>> sure you were permitted to be in that country, work there, etc is one >>>>> you would like to live in. >>>>> >>>>>>> Seems you missed the reference, it's from "The Prisoner". Why do you >>>>>>> wish to increase the imprisonment? >>>>>> >>>>>> That's your opinion. I disagree. >>>>> >>>>> How turning the USA into a full blown 'paper's please' police state not >>>>> make things worse? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Name a single western country, where if you are stopped for suspicion of >>>> being involved in a crime, you are not asked to positively identify >>>> yourself. >>> >>>What crime am I suspected of at a police checkpoint? >>> >>>> The ignorant propaganda being spread by the "open border" socialist / >>>> marxists is simply far too transparent. >>> >>>Ahh another person who can't see through the programming. It's about >>>power. Both the left and right love power. You want to see how national >>>ID papers systems work? Pick a communist country and take a look. >>> >> Last time I checked we're not a communist country. > >Read the communist manifesto and see how much has been implemented. One last time..this ISN'T a communist nation. > >But what makes you think our rulers are fundamentally better people than >the rulers in other nations? You seem to be worried about other nations. I'm not.
From: Brent on 22 Jun 2010 16:37 On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:18:16 +0000 (UTC), Brent ><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >>On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>><tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 2010-06-22, Brian Wraith <brianwraith(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote: >>>>> On 6/22/2010 12:04 PM, Brent wrote: >>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:01 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent >>>>>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or >>>>>>>>>> numbered. My life is my own." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government >>>>>>>>> knows everything about you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why do you support making it worse? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's your opinion that it would get worse. >>>>>> >>>>>> Name a police state where your papers were checked routinely to make >>>>>> sure you were permitted to be in that country, work there, etc is one >>>>>> you would like to live in. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seems you missed the reference, it's from "The Prisoner". Why do you >>>>>>>> wish to increase the imprisonment? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's your opinion. I disagree. >>>>>> >>>>>> How turning the USA into a full blown 'paper's please' police state not >>>>>> make things worse? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Name a single western country, where if you are stopped for suspicion of >>>>> being involved in a crime, you are not asked to positively identify >>>>> yourself. >>>> >>>>What crime am I suspected of at a police checkpoint? >>>> >>>>> The ignorant propaganda being spread by the "open border" socialist / >>>>> marxists is simply far too transparent. >>>> >>>>Ahh another person who can't see through the programming. It's about >>>>power. Both the left and right love power. You want to see how national >>>>ID papers systems work? Pick a communist country and take a look. >>>> >>> Last time I checked we're not a communist country. >> >>Read the communist manifesto and see how much has been implemented. > > One last time..this ISN'T a communist nation. Sounds like you don't understand what communism is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Manifesto 10 point program of Communism 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. -> Property taxes and the New London decision achieve this. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. -> Have had that since 1913. 3. Abolition of all right of inheritance. -> various heavy taxes achieve this. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. -> civil asset forfititure and other laws and executive orders. 5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. -> Federal Reserve Act, 1913. 6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. -> FCC, access to government for reporting, CIA funding, etc. US DOT, FAA, etc and so on. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. -> Numerous regulations achieve this. BP oil disaster in the Gulf is but the latest famous example on numerous levels. 8. Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. -> Countless labor regulations and acts including the minimum wage. 9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country. -> Various regulations and subsidies to agriculture which have favored giant agri-business. 10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. ->Compulsory school attendence has been around for a very long time now. The USA is rather uncomfortably like a communist country. More details including specific laws, executive order numbers, etc here: http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html >>But what makes you think our rulers are fundamentally better people than >>the rulers in other nations? > You seem to be worried about other nations. I'm not. You seem fixated on 'can't happen here'. Our rulers are not fundamentally better people, so yes, it can.
From: D. Stussy on 22 Jun 2010 17:13
"brad herschel" <bradherschel(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:e74e8d22-5a34-4358-b242-41b15f7556cd(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... On Jun 22, 9:11 am, mg <mgkel...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Two questions: > > 1. Should voters be required to produce a photo ID before casting a > ballot? Yes ------- Won't help. Too many illegals have state issued IDs and drivers' licenses. These items are also available to lawful permanent residents who can't vote. > > 2. Should job applicants be required to produce a photo ID before > getting a job? Yes ------- Again, won't help. However, checking with SSA to validate the SSN does help. That's already existing law. |