From: Lookout on
On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:01:57 -0400, Zombywoof <fishwings(a)live.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:11:39 -0500, "RM v2.0" <Blah(a)spamsux.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Brent" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:hvqoov$8gp$2(a)news.eternal-september.org...
>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout <mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years.
>>>
>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
>>> numbered. My life is my own."
>>>
>>Unfortunately we already are. I have a Drivers License, TWIC card (port
>>access), airport all access badge, CHL (concealed pistol permit), SSN, so
>>what is another card? Maybe with a National ID I could just carry one card
>>instead of 5?
>>
>Actually that is the way I look at it, if they were actually going to
>do it that way -- they aren't.

If the government wanted to know anything about you they'd go to the
credit bureaus.
From: Brent on
On 2010-06-23, Zombywoof <fishwings(a)live.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, I think the only way to begin reversing this trend is
> to start asking for papers. Once the country is cleansed and
> effective controls are put in place to stop every Jose, Miguel, or
> Abdul from diddlely bopping around inside our borders perhaps we can
> go back to the way it was, but I doubt it.

I can count on one hand the number of items representing power
the US government has given up and most of them are trivial*. Once you
allow it, it's there forever.

*NMSL, owning gold, making your beer/wine, um that's about it.


From: Alan Baker on
In article <hvr1ti$rcv$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Brian Wraith <brianwraith(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote:

> On 6/22/2010 12:04 PM, Brent wrote:
> > On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:01 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> >> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent
> >>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
> >>>>> numbered. My life is my own."
> >>>
> >>>> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government
> >>>> knows everything about you.
> >>>
> >>> Why do you support making it worse?
> >>
> >> It's your opinion that it would get worse.
> >
> > Name a police state where your papers were checked routinely to make
> > sure you were permitted to be in that country, work there, etc is one
> > you would like to live in.
> >
> >>> Seems you missed the reference, it's from "The Prisoner". Why do you
> >>> wish to increase the imprisonment?
> >>
> >> That's your opinion. I disagree.
> >
> > How turning the USA into a full blown 'paper's please' police state not
> > make things worse?
> >
> >
> >
>
> Name a single western country, where if you are stopped for suspicion of
> being involved in a crime, you are not asked to positively identify
> yourself.

This one: Canada.

If I am stopped, I am under no obligation to carry any identification of
any kind.

>
> The ignorant propaganda being spread by the "open border" socialist /
> marxists is simply far too transparent.

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
<http://gallery.me.com/alangbaker/100008/DSCF0162/web.jpg>
From: Frank J Warner on
In article
<e74e8d22-5a34-4358-b242-41b15f7556cd(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
brad herschel <bradherschel(a)gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jun 22, 9:11´┐Żam, mg <mgkel...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Two questions:
> >
> > 1. Should voters be required to produce a photo ID before casting a
> > ballot?
>
> Yes

How are you going to do that with mail-in ballots?

-Frank

--
Here's some of my work:
http://www.sharpbywarner.com
From: Brian Wraith on
On 6/23/2010 12:58 AM, Alan Baker wrote:
> In article<hvr1ti$rcv$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
> Brian Wraith<brianwraith(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 6/22/2010 12:04 PM, Brent wrote:
>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:35:01 +0000 (UTC), Brent
>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:35:43 +0000 (UTC), Brent
>>>>>> <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2010-06-22, Lookout<mrLookout(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been a favor of a national ID card for 30 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or
>>>>>>> numbered. My life is my own."
>>>>>
>>>>>> You already are. You have a SSN and a drivers license. The government
>>>>>> knows everything about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you support making it worse?
>>>>
>>>> It's your opinion that it would get worse.
>>>
>>> Name a police state where your papers were checked routinely to make
>>> sure you were permitted to be in that country, work there, etc is one
>>> you would like to live in.
>>>
>>>>> Seems you missed the reference, it's from "The Prisoner". Why do you
>>>>> wish to increase the imprisonment?
>>>>
>>>> That's your opinion. I disagree.
>>>
>>> How turning the USA into a full blown 'paper's please' police state not
>>> make things worse?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Name a single western country, where if you are stopped for suspicion of
>> being involved in a crime, you are not asked to positively identify
>> yourself.
>
> This one: Canada.
>
> If I am stopped, I am under no obligation to carry any identification of
> any kind.

But the police in Canada have the right to detain you long enough to
identify you.


>
>>
>> The ignorant propaganda being spread by the "open border" socialist /
>> marxists is simply far too transparent.
>