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From: Steve O on 6 Aug 2010 17:59 "Mike Ross" <mike(a)corestore.org> wrote in message news:uafo56l59u8loj7pn4hhjkk4ki1j1d266p(a)4ax.com... > On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:31:18 GMT, Periander <ulm@.4rubbish.britwar.co.uk> > wrote: > >>NM <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in >>news:e2a782d3-1828-4688-b568-cf7edb3e6476(a)l20g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: >> >>> On 6 Aug, 16:40, Periander <ulm@.4rubbish.britwar.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Mike Ross <m...(a)corestore.org> wrote >>>> innews:8q6o5611tl7ejd8lesudp8gdhqbu8l6u57(a)4ax.com: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > Having said that, the guy DID stop immediately when an officer in >>>> > front of him indicated he should stop >>>> >>>> No he stopped when a police officer managed to deploy a Stinger in >>>> front of him and there wasn't room to get past it. Not quite the same >>>> thing. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Periander >>> >>> Him stopping and the stinger deployment ahead of him have yet to be >>> shown as connected events, probably the cops in front waved him down >>> and the stinger was incidental, possibly not even seen by him given >>> his confused state, certainly the stinger did not stop him. >> >>I never said it did, I said that he stopped when a Stinger was deployed >>in front of him in a position where he couldn't avoid it. That is >>factually accurate. As for his "confused state" I suspect that he wasn't >>all that confused when he drove into a police officer in his haste to >>make good his escape. > > There's little information to suggest he was a hardened and desperate man > willing to drive into a police officer to 'make good his escape' (for > sufficiently small values of 'escape!'). More likely he forgot to put the > bloody > thing in park, or became flustered and trod on the wrong pedal. If you > watch the > video, after he does stop the car starts rolling back, which suggests some > issues with having proper control. He quite possibly didn't even know he > had hit > the officer. > > Mike > -- > http://www.corestore.org > 'As I walk along these shores > I am the history within'
From: joe on 6 Aug 2010 18:10 Periander wrote: > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in news:4c5c21a6$0$30171$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com: > > > "Periander" <ulm@.4rubbish.britwar.co.uk> wrote in message > > news:Xns9DCC9F005B076ulmbritwarcouk(a)69.16.176.253... > >> boltar2003(a)boltar.world wrote in > news:i3h60e$evu$1(a)speranza.aioe.org: > > > > >>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:21:42 GMT > >>> Periander <ulm@.4rubbish.britwar.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > Oh and if you persist in your ill founded belief I'd advert > > > > > your attention to "Roadcraft" the standard police (and now > > > > > all emergency vehicle) textbook on the subject and of course > > > > > the ACPO TPAC training materials. Alternatively join the > > > > > police and in due course take a response or advanced driving > > > > > course. > > > > > >>> Or better yet don't bother - just go on a track day course and > learn >>> about real car control, not the antiquated garbage you find > in Road >>> Craft. > > > > >> Yes, drivng around in circles teaches you a lot of skills > >> transferrable to the real world. Idiot. > > > > Like roundabouts, you mean? Or junctions? Or corners? > > Oh I see, on a track you have roundabouts where you give way to > oncoming traffic? Next you'll be telling us that the track has > pedestrians crossing without looking, cyclists overtaking on the > inside, junctions controlled by traffic lights, oncoming traffic ... > > ... you do a lot of reverse parking do you on a track, or perhaps you > have idiots reversing from thier drives and garages out in front of > you without looking ... lollypop ladies spring out at you perhaps? > > > Yes, tracks are great for learner drivers who wish to learn the > system of car control but that's where it ends. If you believe > otherwise I refer you to my previous comment - you're an idiot. Unfortunately, you must be the idiot if you think extra driving in conditions that are different to normal, are a waste of time. riding in race conditions have greatly improved my riding. --
From: martin on 6 Aug 2010 18:35 On 06/08/2010 17:41, NM wrote: > On 6 Aug, 17:31, Periander<ulm@.4rubbish.britwar.co.uk> wrote: >> I never said it did, I said that he stopped when a Stinger was deployed >> in front of him in a position where he couldn't avoid it. That is >> factually accurate. As for his "confused state" I suspect that he wasn't >> all that confused when he drove into a police officer in his haste to >> make good his escape. > If he did why was he not charged? seems like that is a bit of > hyperbole. Not really, that's a standby charge in case all else fails. Someone I know got done for that for driving off from a stop. But the drink driving charge was brought in front of the mags. Similar here, he got done for the various charged and the incidental ones got dropped.
From: Mike Ross on 6 Aug 2010 19:29 On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:24:07 GMT, Periander <ulm@.4rubbish.britwar.co.uk> wrote: >Mike Ross <mike(a)corestore.org> wrote in >news:uafo56l59u8loj7pn4hhjkk4ki1j1d266p(a)4ax.com: > >> >> There's little information to suggest he was a hardened and desperate >> man willing to drive into a police officer to 'make good his escape' >> (for sufficiently small values of 'escape!'). More likely he forgot to >> put the bloody thing in park, or became flustered and trod on the >> wrong pedal. > >For 17 minutes? If you hadn't snipped so carelessly everyone would see that I posted the above in response to your "I suspect that he wasn't all that confused when he drove into a police officer in his haste to make good his escape." In other words, I was refering to him allegedly knocking over an officer, not to the subsequent following him. I've already made it clear that I have no idea what was going through his head when he didn't stop, but I'm not buying his 'escort' line. >> If you watch the video, after he does stop the car starts >> rolling back, which suggests some issues with having proper control. >> He quite possibly didn't even know he had hit the officer. > >Hehehe ... so you're saying that he's unfit to be a driver? Quite possibly yes. Doesn't mean he deserves to have his car trashed. I don't know if he was banned, but he should probably be required to retake his test! Can a beak order that without ordering a ban? >On a slightly more serious note, the full video is available (or was) on >"Police stop" - a TV show. Overall he he didn't display any evidence of not >knowing what he was doing. Beyond the inexplicable failure to stop! Mike -- http://www.corestore.org 'As I walk along these shores I am the history within'
From: Mike Ross on 6 Aug 2010 19:31
On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:56:33 +0100, "Steve O" <nospamhere(a)thanks.com> wrote: (Steve wrote nothing!) >"Mike Ross" <mike(a)corestore.org> wrote in message >news:qv8o56lr19ckt8d6h15ncfoh6fhmvrjavl(a)4ax.com... >> On 6 Aug 2010 14:58:06 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>Mike Ross <mike(a)corestore.org> gurgled happily, sounding much like they >>>were saying: >>> >>>> And, they KNEW they were dealing with a very elderly chap. Now there are >>>> some elderly chaps who are complete bastards, can be very aggressive, >>>> sure. Some were serious hard cases in their younger days, no doubt. But >>>> still, he was 70, they knew this, and I haven't heard anything to >>>> suggest he was aggresive. >>> >>>Apart from the fact that 70 is a long way from "very elderly", do you >>>think that the acceptable standard of driving for the "very elderly" >>>should be somehow lowered far enough to include such massive lapses of >>>observation and judgement? >> >> No. And don't put words in my mouth; I never suggested such a thing. In >> fact I >> said I didn't know what the guy was thinking when he didn't stop. 70 is >> getting >> on, and my comments were about how the police dealt with him when he DID >> stop! >> >> Mike >> -- >> http://www.corestore.org >> 'As I walk along these shores >> I am the history within' You seem to be having posting issues, Steve - a bunch of followups with no actual text from you! Mike -- http://www.corestore.org 'As I walk along these shores I am the history within' |