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From: Brimstone on 7 Aug 2010 09:16 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:v7nah4oaoq$.f6qnv4aa12dq$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 12:12:49 +0100, Brimstone wrote: > >>>> Anyone who condones and old man's car being smashed up to give a couple >>>> of >>>> coppers some sport is a thug. >>> >>> that comment is idiotic. >>> >> I'm disappointed. > > Why? Because you usually make a better argument than that. >Its idiotic to say people are "thugs" because they analyse a Daily > Mail report differently than you. > No analysis is required. Supporting thuggish behaviour is tantamount to behaving in the same manner.
From: Brimstone on 7 Aug 2010 09:17 "Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:1uvt100ky1ggh.kk8kn3li8wcg.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:13:45 +0100, Brimstone wrote: > >> When stroke victim Robert Whatley, 70, was pulled over in his Range >> Rover, >> he expected a brief discussion with the officers. > > I can't remember the last time I saw such an over the top piece of > reporting. It's a wonderful example of how some newspapers distort the > news. > Only some?
From: Steve O on 7 Aug 2010 09:29 "NM" <nik.morgan(a)mac.com> wrote in message news:9406553c-28e5-4a21-b31f-abec62d16ca3(a)v41g2000yqv.googlegroups.com... > On 7 Aug, 11:10, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> "NM" <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote in message >> >> news:73f971cf-4c87-4e10-ac53-601d752bafe4(a)5g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > On 6 Aug, 22:54, "Steve O" <nospamh...(a)thanks.com> wrote: >> >> "NM" <nik.mor...(a)mac.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:186a40ce-eec0-4e43-a9d3-86440a891be5(a)x21g2000yqa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > On 6 Aug, 15:20, Chelsea Tractor Man <mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:54:01 +0100, GT wrote: >> >> >> >> as in the other post, his RR will almost certainly be the same >> >> >> >> as >> >> >> >> my >> >> >> >> LR. >> >> >> >> Stays locked. >> >> >> >> > Fair enough - they'll need to smash the windows and jump on the >> >> >> > bonnet >> >> >> > like >> >> >> > gorillas then!! >> >> >> >> I suspect they are trained to go in fast, after all the average >> >> >> person >> >> >> who >> >> >> fails to stop is going to be trouble. Put yourself in the coppers >> >> >> position, >> >> >> this old gaffer in a *Range Rover* (plenty of villans drive them) >> >> >> has >> >> >> driven off mid interview. Is he carrying drugs? A firearm? Just >> >> >> because >> >> >> he >> >> >> is 70 does not been he cannot be an armed criminal or a madman like >> >> >> that >> >> >> bloke who recently shot and blinded a copper in the Lake District >> >> >> for >> >> >> no >> >> >> rational reason at all. >> >> >> He was being followed by a car with blue lights, (the idea of a >> >> >> police >> >> >> escort is ridiculous) even if he thought it nothing to do with him >> >> >> (even >> >> >> though he had just been speaking to the coppers) he should have >> >> >> pulled >> >> >> over >> >> >> to let it through. >> >> >> -- >> >> >> > So you smash his car up and assult him just to be on the safe side? >> >> >> Who is claiming he was assaulted? >> >> I saw him being led out of his car. >> >> > that is an assault on his person. >> >> Your implication was that a criminal assault had occurred. >> It didn't. >> While I would grant that the officer smashing the window didn't give the >> gent much opportunity to open the door, it is important to note that he >> had >> been engaged on a low speed pursuit for 17 minutes, had failed to stop, >> had >> previously struck another officer either deliberately or accidentally, >> and >> only stopped because a stop stick was deployed in front of him. >> The officer would have no way of knowing if the driver was about to make >> off >> again, so his actions were fairly reasonable. >> Not too sure why the other officer felt it necessary to jump on the >> bonnet >> as this would be quite unsafe to do while the driver still had control of >> the car. >> I doubt if that one is in the manual. > > But really they were enjoying a bit of legalised bullying, as you well > know and can be seen in the video. Why would you call it bullying? Do you have any other suggestions as to how the vehicle could be stopped? Or do you think that motorists who fail to stop for the police after striking one of them should be allowed to go about their business?
From: Steve O on 7 Aug 2010 09:32 "Mortimer" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:m_2dnQaXwoEKosDRnZ2dnUVZ7qidnZ2d(a)brightview.co.uk... > "Steve Walker" <spam-trap(a)beeb.net> wrote in message > news:8c4rvcF954U1(a)mid.individual.net... >> NM wrote: >> | On 6 Aug, 17:17, Chelsea Tractor Man mr.c.trac...(a)hotmail.co.uk >> >> || breaking the windows to get in and pulling him out? If somebody >> || drives off while being interviewed, knocking aside a policeman, >> || fails to stop or pull over for 17 miles in front of twos and >> || blues and only stops at a stinger its his own stupid fault. The >> || US would have pulled him to the ground and handcuffed him from >> || behind while lying on his face, if they hadn't shot him already. >> | >> | And you think thats OK? >> >> In the circumstances described, I think it would be reasonable. > > I think what we need to know is what happened just *before* the video that > has been released. Was the officers' *first* response on getting out of > the car to jump on the bonnet and to smash the window with a truncheon, The officer on the bonnet did not smash the window. The officer at the side smashed the drivers window, but not with a truncheon. Were you actually watching the video?
From: Steve O on 7 Aug 2010 09:37
"Chelsea Tractor Man" <mr.c.tractor(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message news:1awelh8dclh3i$.1q9cw8fj7fanm$.dlg(a)40tude.net... > On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:09:25 +0100, Ophelia wrote: > >>> Anyone who condones and old man's car being smashed up to give a couple >>> of >>> coppers some sport is a thug. >> >> Without doubt! > > have you actualy read all the press report and watched all the video? Presumably not. Some people seem to take the information which suits their prejudices and ignore the full facts.<shrugs> |