From: Paul on 5 Aug 2010 18:25
On 05/08/2010 23:20, Brimstone wrote:
> "martin" <usenet(a)etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
>> On 05/08/2010 22:51, Paul wrote:
>>> On 05/08/2010 22:51, Brimstone wrote:
>>>> Show where he was trying to make an escape whilst being pursued despite
>>>> the report saying that he believed the matter to have been concluded.
>>> The fact that he ignored the blues and two is a bit of a giveway.
>> I think Brim is no more that a troll. I don't like the police any more
>> than the next man, but this was justified to stop him causing more
>> mayhem that he was so unaware of.
> They were perfectly justified in stopping him to conclude the matter.
> It's how their behaviour after stopping him that is the issue,
> especially as they knew he was an old man, possibly with medical problems.
> As I've asked before, if their behaviour was appropriate, why have they
> been suspended?
There have been complaints, standard procedure to suspend until enquiry
over, at which point they will return to duty.
From: martin on 5 Aug 2010 18:32
On 05/08/2010 23:26, Paul wrote:
> On 05/08/2010 23:17, Brimstone wrote:
>> Is there anything on the front of a police car to indicate to a driver
>> that they wish him to stop?
> Yes, blue lights in the grill and two angry faces in the windscreen
> mouthing pull over?
From: martin on 5 Aug 2010 18:35
On 05/08/2010 23:23, Brimstone wrote:
> "Periander" <ulm@.4rubbish.britwar.co.uk> wrote in message
>> "Brimstone" <brimstone520-ng08(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
>>> I can't remember the last time I saw such an over the top reaction.
>>> It's a wonderful example of how some public servants think they're the
>>> masters and we are to do their bidding.
>>> There is a video on the website.
>> The time was when anyone, but anyone who lead police on a 17 minute chase
>> they'd have had a damned sight more than a broken window to complain
>> not that they'd dare.
> What "chase"? He was bimbling along well within the speed limit.
National speed limit, 50mph down country roads.
I'd not like to drive more than an average of 20mph down our country
roads never mind the NSL applies.
Speed not relevant. He led off on a 17 minute chase down country roads
at a speed of averaging over 50mph.
From: Steve Walker on 5 Aug 2010 18:42
|| "martin" <usenet(a)etiqa.co.uk> wrote in message
||| On 05/08/2010 22:51, Paul wrote:
|||| On 05/08/2010 22:51, Brimstone wrote:
||||| Show where he was trying to make an escape whilst being
||||| pursued despite the report saying that he believed the matter
||||| to have been concluded.
|||| The fact that he ignored the blues and two is a bit of a
||| I think Brim is no more that a troll. I don't like the police
||| any more than the next man, but this was justified to stop him
||| causing more mayhem that he was so unaware of.
|| They were perfectly justified in stopping him to conclude the
|| matter. It's how their behaviour after stopping him that is the
|| issue, especially as they knew he was an old man, possibly with
|| medical problems.
|| As I've asked before, if their behaviour was appropriate, why
|| have they been suspended?
It's an ordinary process in many professional situations where a complaint
has been made - it implies no finding against them. Teachers, doctors,
cops - suspended or placed on restricted duties for a few weeks, it means
nothing. It's often called 'gardening leave' because it's a great chance
to catch up on all those odd jobs at home, whilst still drawing full pay.
Surely you're aware of that?
My own view is that the complainant is either so frail and mentally confused
that he shouldn't be driving on public roads, or else he's a rich arrogant
man who thinks he can brush aside the police and do as he wishes. The way
he was pulled from the car was dramatic, but it's standard procedure when a
runaway vehicle / fugitive is finally stopped. If they don't immediately
unlock and get out, the police smash their way in.
From: Steve Walker on 5 Aug 2010 18:43
Alex Heney wrote:
|| Without condoning the police action (which I agree was OTT), if
|| this chap is honestly attempting to claim he was so unaware that
|| he did not realise they were trying to stop him, then the
|| absolute minimum sentence he should receive is a lifetime
|| driving ban.
|| It isn't possible to be that unaware while still being fit to
|| drive. --