From: atec7 7 ""atec77" on 15 May 2010 20:05
D Walford wrote:
> On 15/05/2010 4:11 PM, atec7 7 > wrote:
>> D Walford wrote:
>>> On 14/05/2010 11:41 PM, atec7 7 > wrote:
>>>> D Walford wrote:
>>>>> On 14/05/2010 10:11 PM, Feral wrote:
>>>>>> D Walford wrote:
>>>>>>> So you think a leaking clutch slave cylinder is dangerous and could
>>>>>>> cause you to have an accident?
>>>>>> Hooray, he got there.
>>>>>> And yes I do. Go figure.
>>>>> The only thing to figure is you haven't got a clue about driving, even
>>>>> if the cylinder failed completely the car won't be dangerous except in
>>>>> the hands on a total imbecile.
>>>>> A good driver can manage to drive a manual car without a clutch, it
>>>>> isn't very difficult and only takes minutes to learn.
>>>> I would suggest dazza it could be a factor
>>>> inexperience and arriving for a stop only to discover to late the
>>>> wont work
>>> Hit the brake pedal and stop the car, if you can't disengage the
>>> clutch the engine stalls but the car still stops in the same distance,
>>> anyone with a clue would knock it out of gear once they find the
>>> clutch isn't doing what its supposed to but that won't make any
>>> difference to the stopping distance.
>>> Having had several clutch failures over the years I have actually done
>>> what I described so I know it works in a real life situation.
>> Not always that easy dazza ,
> What's not easy about stopping a manual vehicle without using the clutch?
nothing but it also introduces a limited amount of steerage and other
risks , if I have to stop hard I prefer to use the clutch
> it happened to me once about 35 years ago
>> in s 1 tonne trayback and wont ever again but I had only been driving
>> maybe 10 years
>> now I am old enough to not know everything
> It isn't rocket science, you don't need to know anything other than how
> to push a brake pedal, the rest will work itself out.
> In a panic stop most would even forget to push the clutch so the clutch
> is irrelevant, I have stalled engines several times in exactly that
> situation whist fortunately avoiding hitting anything.
Biggest problem I see with stamp and stop is the vehicle usually wont
change direction much and you tend to spear off in a straight line
you have to admit having a working clutch is advantageous
From: Feral on 15 May 2010 20:22
> You're an idiot Feral. That's all there is to it really.
You're the most self-centered, egotistical, illogical idiot
I've ever encountered.
It's not about *me* Bighead, it's about *all* drivers that may
encounter situations they have never experienced before or
know how to deal with.
In case nobody has noticed Bighead always turns situations
like this into personal attacks when his theories are
questioned, so he can show his literary prowess (he wishes) at
putting people down.
Daz is almost as bad, he has no idea about my driving skills
either, but because he and Bighead are so elite at dealing
with a possible encounter with a problem, that they have no
prior knowlege of, they can deal with it and therefore *all*
others should be able to as well (otherwise they are
"incompetant and should hand in their licence".
Bullshit too the pair of you.
Take Care. ~~
Feral Al ( @..@)
(\- :-P -/)
^^^ % ^^^
From: D Walford on 15 May 2010 21:49
On 15/05/2010 9:23 PM, Noddy wrote:
> "atec7 7"<""atec77\"@ hotmail.com"> wrote in message
>> Inspections do have an effect
>> just look at unzuds stats
> Compared to what?
That's the point, in Australia we have some states that have annual
inspections and some that don't so we are able to compare the 2
different approaches and seeing as how there is sfa difference in
accident rates attributed to unroadworthy vehicles in states with and
without inspections its obvious they don't achieve all that much.
If anyone can demonstrate that they achieve anything other improve some
workshops bottom line then I will support them.
From: D Walford on 15 May 2010 22:06
On 16/05/2010 7:09 AM, Feral wrote:
> Atheist Chaplain wrote:
>> Its the method that is used to train drivers in the Army, just stand on
>> the brakes in an emergency stop.
>> Works on everything from the lowly Rover to the biggest recovery vehicle.
> And if you're sweeping around a bend at speed on a narrow, wet road and
> there's a semi-jack-knifed across the road and you discover your slave
> cylinder has done it's last duty ....
> What's the teaching .... pray ....?????
What difference will disengaging the clutch make to your ability to stop
My experience says it make no difference at all, it could make a
difference if you didn't back off the throttle which is the first thing
you should do if you want to stop quickly.
> You may think that's extreme, but wet road, on a bend, you have to stop,
> locking up your rears and stalling the engine will do what .... pull you
> up in a straight line - into the gums.
> You're as bad as the other two if you think the "lock-er-up" tactic will
> ease the pain in *all* situations. I'm sure if everyone tried they could
> think of a few situations.
Guess how I know it makes sfa difference?
Because I have done it more than once so I know it makes no difference,
have you actually tried it or are you just guessing?
> The Bruce Highway (at night, in the rain and wind, with the trucks and
> the straying cattle), is just one example of where you want your
> mechanicals, tyres, lights, wipers, etc to be spot on. Who's for a drive
> from Childers to Gin Gin through the fog, wind and rain and have our
> scenario happen on a bend in the mountains?
> NSW Rego Inspections work in the majority of cases and it keeps most
> people honest. Who keeps Vic's and Qld's drivers honest. Oh, themselves.
> Of course inspections can't stop the idiots who take their mates tyres
> off and put their own bald ones back on afterwards, or the interstate
> idiots, but they find things that ordinary "mum, dad and art students"
> wouldn't find. I say art students, because I don't want to offend Athol,
> just like he wouldn't like to offend Noddy or Daz.
I'm not interested in your personality clashes but I am interested in
why you don't get the technical aspects of what I am saying which I am
100% sure are correct based on lots of driving experience in all types
of conditions in a big variety of vehicles.
From: D Walford on 15 May 2010 22:20
On 16/05/2010 10:22 AM, Feral wrote:
> Daz is almost as bad, he has no idea about my driving skills either, but
> because he and Bighead are so elite at dealing with a possible encounter
> with a problem, that they have no prior knowlege of, they can deal with
> it and therefore *all* others should be able to as well (otherwise they
> are "incompetant and should hand in their licence".
If you think what an inexperienced driver would do in a situation where
they needed to stop in a hurry and at the same time experienced a clutch
failure what do you think would happen?
My experience says they will hit the brakes hard resulting in the car
stopping in the same distance but with a stalled engine so the clutch
makes no difference whatsoever, if you think that's wrong please explain
why in technical terms and try and do without your usual snide remarks.