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From: The Daring Dufas on 14 Jun 2010 06:10
On 6/13/2010 1:32 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2010-06-13, The Daring Dufas<the-daring-dufas(a)peckerhead.net> wrote:
>> I remember when toilets would flush and shower heads would flow
>> before some government agency got hold of them.
> Ours still do, we have the good old-fashioned kind. For that matter I
> have a basement full of incandescent light bulbs socked away and will
> continue to use them after the "ban" on their sale goes into effect.
> I refuse to let the federal scumbags dictate to me what kind of toilet I
> use, what kind of shower I wash with, or what kind of light bulbs are
> installed in my house. Screw 'em.
What? The light bulbs or government minions? *snicker*
From: Robert Neville on 14 Jun 2010 08:45
AMuzi <am(a)yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> Seems like a great business opportunity - sell just the old style nozzle. They
>> can't tap you for selling an unapproved container. Don't even reference gas -
>> call it water or just liquid.
>Businesses who want to wrestle in the mud with Carol Browner
>sign up now. Death match too; she has the IRS on her side.
True... Best to put a big disclaimer on the ad - "Not To Be Used for Gas
Containers". That should surely solve the problem.
From: Don Klipstein on 14 Jun 2010 14:30
In <hv4v5j$49c$2(a)news.eternal-september.org>, The Daring Dufas wrote:
>On 6/13/2010 1:32 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>> On 2010-06-13, The Daring Dufas<the-daring-dufas(a)peckerhead.net> wrote:
>>> I remember when toilets would flush and shower heads would flow
>>> before some government agency got hold of them.
>> Ours still do, we have the good old-fashioned kind. For that matter I
>> have a basement full of incandescent light bulbs socked away and will
>> continue to use them after the "ban" on their sale goes into effect.
>> I refuse to let the federal scumbags dictate to me what kind of toilet I
>> use, what kind of shower I wash with, or what kind of light bulbs are
>> installed in my house. Screw 'em.
>What? The light bulbs or government minions? *snicker*
I would like to point out that the best-flushing toilets I ever saw are
1.6 gallon ones. There are some good ones out there.
As opposed to earlier 1.6 gallon/flush toilets so lousy as to possibly
support an argument that these 1.6 gallon toilets were made in an attempt
to sabotage government regulations on toilets.
Meanwhile, I am aware of lightbulb applications where CFLs are not
suitable. Thankfully, the upcoming incandescent ban has a set of
loopholes wide enough to reroute the Mississippi River through. Sadly,
this even permits selling incandescents that can be used where "standard"
ones are, but have even lower energy efficiecy than "standard" ones have.
(Such as "traffic signal" and "rough service" / vibration service".)
- Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: chuckcar on 14 Jun 2010 18:20
aemeijers <aemeijers(a)att.net> wrote in
> Steve W. wrote:
>> Brent wrote:
> If you do that, don't forget to hit the tops with a spray can of red
> paint before you fill them the first time, lest some busybody at the
> gas station get on you for using the wrong can.
Yeah, the same kid that asked what I needed oil for when I was looking
for it. He didn't know lawnmowers use 10w30.
> (When did red become 'required', anyway? Back in stone age, we had
> several pretty navy blue Belknap 5-gallon cans, with a seperate tiny
> lid for venting. No keeper chains, though, so you always had to be
> careful where you set it down.)
It's so they can sell more gas due to the can heating up and forcing the
gas out the spout when someone forgets to a) take the pour tube out and or
b) leaves the vent hole closed.
I have a yellow one that I've had for years and use for waste fluids.
(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )
From: Tegger on 15 Jun 2010 18:23
Robert Neville <dont(a)bother.com> wrote in
> Red <RedAlt5(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>AFAIK, they're required by the EPA everywhere in the USA. Along with
>>a fine of $150 per each non-compliant can sold by any retailer.
>>That's why you can't find the non-compliant ones anymore. FWIW, EPA
>>does not regulate the nozzle design, just the specs it must meet.
>>Therefore, the crappy ones we're seeing could be made much better if
>>the manufacturers get enough complaints.
>>Google EPA and portable fuel containers.
> Seems like a great business opportunity - sell just the old style
That's what we have up here in Canada. I'm seeing California-approved 1.5
gallon gas cans with what /must/ be CARB-approved nozzles. I say "must"
because of how extraordinarily difficult it is to manipulate them so that
they will actually dispense gasoline.
And right next to them on the shelf are the old-style corrugated yellow
nozzles for about $4 each. They're a perfect fit in place of the difficult
nozzles. Alongside are sold the little caps you use to seal off the cap
when the nozzle is inverted for storage.
Actually, the yellow nozzles aren't precisely the old-style, as they now
incorporate a small vent tube immediately above the delivery tube. The vent
tube would be necessary on account of the fact that the can itself has no
vent hole at its rear.
The brand-name on all of the above is "Scepter".