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From: D Walford on 10 Jul 2010 01:35 On 10/07/2010 2:36 PM, Toby wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:13:33 +1000, D Walford wrote: > >> A red motor with a traumatic would have been a big improvement on a grey >> motor and hydromatic but that didn't happen till EH. >> The EJ Premier did have a nice interior and some good "kit" for its day >> but its biggest problem was it handled like a bus with flat tyres. > > GM Marketing masterpiece.. > The trick? > The EH was regarded as an inestimably good car by many. > OK, it was just fair... > But, why? > Easy - it was inestimably better than the dog that was EJ. Certainly had a much better engine and trans but IMO they still suffered with the same appalling handling and equally bad brakes. IMO the first Holden that had almost acceptable handling was the HK, it was certainly a big improvement over previous models. Daryl
From: Jason James on 10 Jul 2010 03:26 "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message news:4c380696$0$28637$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > On 10/07/2010 2:36 PM, Toby wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 14:13:33 +1000, D Walford wrote: >> >>> A red motor with a traumatic would have been a big improvement on a grey >>> motor and hydromatic but that didn't happen till EH. >>> The EJ Premier did have a nice interior and some good "kit" for its day >>> but its biggest problem was it handled like a bus with flat tyres. >> >> GM Marketing masterpiece.. >> The trick? >> The EH was regarded as an inestimably good car by many. >> OK, it was just fair... >> But, why? >> Easy - it was inestimably better than the dog that was EJ. > > Certainly had a much better engine and trans but IMO they still suffered > with the same appalling handling and equally bad brakes. > IMO the first Holden that had almost acceptable handling was the HK, it > was certainly a big improvement over previous models. Yeah,..the HD saw the introduction of less turns lock to lock, but heaps of caster,..which made it track OK,..but increased the steering heaviness,..which was already heavy from the reduced LtoL. Jason
From: Feral on 10 Jul 2010 03:29 D Walford wrote: > On 10/07/2010 2:36 PM, Toby wrote: >> GM Marketing masterpiece.. >> The trick? >> The EH was regarded as an inestimably good car by many. >> OK, it was just fair... >> But, why? >> Easy - it was inestimably better than the dog that was EJ. > > Certainly had a much better engine and trans but IMO they still suffered > with the same appalling handling and equally bad brakes. > IMO the first Holden that had almost acceptable handling was the HK, it > was certainly a big improvement over previous models. That's why my HR ute ended up with discs on da front. :-) -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^
From: Feral on 10 Jul 2010 03:33 Jason James wrote: > "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message > news:4c380696$0$28637$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> On 10/07/2010 2:36 PM, Toby wrote: >>> GM Marketing masterpiece.. >>> The trick? >>> The EH was regarded as an inestimably good car by many. >>> OK, it was just fair... >>> But, why? >>> Easy - it was inestimably better than the dog that was EJ. >> >> Certainly had a much better engine and trans but IMO they still suffered >> with the same appalling handling and equally bad brakes. >> IMO the first Holden that had almost acceptable handling was the HK, it >> was certainly a big improvement over previous models. > > Yeah,..the HD saw the introduction of less turns lock to lock, but heaps of > caster,..which made it track OK,..but increased the steering > heaviness,..which was already heavy from the reduced LtoL. LtoL improved dramatically with HK front end on and the stops removed. Crikey I could maneuver that Millard. :-) -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^
From: Toby on 10 Jul 2010 04:25
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:29:32 +1000, Feral wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 10/07/2010 2:36 PM, Toby wrote: > >>> GM Marketing masterpiece.. >>> The trick? >>> The EH was regarded as an inestimably good car by many. >>> OK, it was just fair... >>> But, why? >>> Easy - it was inestimably better than the dog that was EJ. >> >> Certainly had a much better engine and trans but IMO they still suffered >> with the same appalling handling and equally bad brakes. >> IMO the first Holden that had almost acceptable handling was the HK, it >> was certainly a big improvement over previous models. > > That's why my HR ute ended up with discs on da front. :-) Optional I believe. I recall a certain Brisnaee tech fleet was equipped with HR Vans, the only option they were blessed with was the front disks. Saved the young gents driving them plenty of prangs I guess, except the classic one achieved when one did an instant right turn into the wall of the tunnel under his workshop when the mounting bolts sheared on the LH caliper:-) -- Toby. Caveat Lector |