From: Hachiroku ハチロク on
On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 14:17:02 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote:

> =?iso-2022-jp?q?Hachiroku_=1B$B%O%A%m%=2F=1B=28B?= <Trueno(a)e86.GTS>
> wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:23:04 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>
>>> I think in the end investment in the oil industry will be reduced, in
>>> part due to fears about this sort of thing happening again, and in part
>>> because of fears of added government regulation.
>>
>>And this is the real reason *I* think Obama is dragging his heels. He
>>hates the oil industry and made campaign noises indicating such. (even
>>though BP ponied up $2M to get him elected...). He also said he would
>>like to see gasoline prices at $4-5 a gallon.
>
> Well, he'a got a point. It would in fact be better to have gasoline
> prices rise to the point where they actually reflect the whole cost of
> producing gasoline. That's how free markets are supposed to work. You do
> like free markets, right?
> --scott

I ain't sayin'....



From: jim on


"Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B" wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 07:17:20 -0500, jim wrote:
>
> >
> > "Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B" wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Yeah, response is the big thing, and about the only thing a President
> >> can really do (in all fairness, if I were the President and someone
> >> came up to me three days after a similar disaster, I probably would
> >> have said "No thanks", too, and kept a close eye on BP. However, I
> >> would have contacted those who offered help once it was seen BP was
> >> having trouble. Oil skimmers are most effective when the oil is
> >> thick...)
> >
> > Except that this is all based on your drunken hallucinations. You make
> > up fiction rather than deal with real facts.
>
> Yeah. Right. Guess you only know what you've been told:
>

There has never been any believable evidence federal government turned down any offers of help. All offers made to Washington
were passed on to BP. BP has purchased and hired the systems based on their expertise. Not based on stupid opinions from drunks
and bloggers.


>
>
> Since the initial incident, oil has been spilling out and dissapating,
> making it...uh...thinner...

Take a look some day when you are sober.




From: jim on


Scott Dorsey wrote:

> jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote:
> >The riser connected the rig to the well. The rig bobbed around
> >uncontrolled for a few days and then sank. It would have been a miracle
> >if the riser hadn't broke.
>
> No, I was actually referring to the well pipe having broken underneath
> the ground beforehand. Trying to do too many things at once.

There are several layers of well pipe, but if casing broke then wouldn't that be
the fault of the manufacturer?
The only mention of broken pipe or casing I have heard of has been due to the
blow out - not the cause of the blow out.


>
>
> >Or are you talking about the mysterious 2nd drill pipe?
> >http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/07/post_19.html
>
> No, that's another and still different issue, but again not a good sign.
> Part of the issue is that I don't know what the actual history of the well
> is, and what was done before the problem was first noticed. I know a few
> of the things that seem to have been done in the week or so afterward, before
> the explosion, but BP and the press are not exactly bending over to explain
> how the well got so messed up in the first place.

It is quite possible BP really doesn't know what went wrong. What we do know
is that this well like all wells had a very detailed well plan, which details
step by step how they would proceed. We know that numerous experts, engineers and
drillers from companies like DrillQuip, MISwaco, Haliburton, Schlumberger, and
transOcean all who were on the rig had reviewed the plan. And of course numerous
drilling engineers from BP and MMS had gone over the plan many times. And as far
as any of these people (with expertise and knowledge of what was going on on the
Deepwater Horizon) knew everything was going according to plan.

Up until 10 minutes before the rig exploded there was no one that thought
there was a problem or that the plan was dangerous or even out of the ordinary.

Unfortunately, the people who would be in the very best position to know what
went wrong didn't survive the explosion.

-jim




>
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

From: Bob Cooper on
In article <Xns9DB2F07824CECchuck(a)127.0.0.1>, chuck(a)nil.car says...
>
> Bob Cooper <bc(a)nowhere.com> wrote in
> >
> There's one thing that comes to mind to me with the above: Isn't it
> possible that the authority and responsibility to do the clean up rests
> with BP and no one else to the extent that the government simply *can't*
> get involved or remove them from such?

POTUS can pretty well do what he wants in a case like this.
Call it a code red national emergency or whatever, and go from there.
That fact alone gets cooperation.
The $20 billion payment fund BP set up is an example.




From: Scott Dorsey on
jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt.net> wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> jim <"sjedgingN0Sp"@m(a)mwt,net> wrote:
>> >The riser connected the rig to the well. The rig bobbed around
>> >uncontrolled for a few days and then sank. It would have been a miracle
>> >if the riser hadn't broke.
>>
>> No, I was actually referring to the well pipe having broken underneath
>> the ground beforehand. Trying to do too many things at once.
>
>There are several layers of well pipe, but if casing broke then wouldn't that be
>the fault of the manufacturer?

It could well be, yeah.

>The only mention of broken pipe or casing I have heard of has been due to the
>blow out - not the cause of the blow out.

No, there were signs it was deforming and bulging some time before the blowout
and the Transocean guys were worried about it. It probably broke before the
blowout but it's possible it didn't break under the sea floor until the
blowout. Figuring out what happened when is a big deal.

> It is quite possible BP really doesn't know what went wrong. What we do know
>is that this well like all wells had a very detailed well plan, which details
>step by step how they would proceed. We know that numerous experts, engineers and
>drillers from companies like DrillQuip, MISwaco, Haliburton, Schlumberger, and
>transOcean all who were on the rig had reviewed the plan. And of course numerous
>drilling engineers from BP and MMS had gone over the plan many times. And as far
>as any of these people (with expertise and knowledge of what was going on on the
>Deepwater Horizon) knew everything was going according to plan.

No, there were reports as early as a week before the blowout that things were
not going according to plan. Some of the information about what wasn't going
right is conflicting, though.

> Up until 10 minutes before the rig exploded there was no one that thought
>there was a problem or that the plan was dangerous or even out of the ordinary.

No, this isn't true, and looking carefully at some of the BP press releases
will even indicated this. Part of the problem is that we need to get a real
timeline.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."