From: Clive George on
On 24/06/2010 18:26, Ret. wrote:
> Clive George wrote:
>> On 24/06/2010 17:25, Ret. wrote:
>>
>>> So I take it that you would also have been happy for ambulancemen,
>>> policemen, firemen, and doctors etc to also just tune in and switch
>>> off for a couple of hours. After all - it's only every four years
>>> innit?
>>
>> Do you not realise quite how ridiculous that argument is?
>
> So it's ok for some workers to neglect their duties - but not for others?

What duties were the salesmen neglecting? Do you have an SLA with the
dealership telling you what they are?

Have you still not understood that if their management were ok with it,
they weren't neglecting anything?


From: Clive George on
On 24/06/2010 18:33, Brimstone wrote:

> Because that's their job, it's what they're being paid to do.

Since when have you decided what their job is?

Are you the management at a car dealership? No? Well, in that case, you
have absolutely no control over defining what their job is and what
they're being paid to do.

From: Clive George on
On 24/06/2010 19:09, Ret. wrote:
> Clive George wrote:
>> On 24/06/2010 17:36, Ret. wrote:
>>
>>> As someone else has already pointed out - it is this attitude that is
>>> the main problem with the UK today.
>>> No, car salesman are not doing a life or death job - but they are
>>> (supposed) to be doing a job. That job is to do their best to sell
>>> cars and to provide a good service to customers.
>>
>> No, their job isn't defined by you, it's defined by their management.
>>
>> Management decide it's ok to watch the footie, they're allowed to. Get
>> over it.
>
> Certainly they are 'allowed to' - whether it is good business practice
> is another matter entirely...

Now you're getting closer.

So, what proportion of their business comes from footie fans and what
proportion from tight-arsed wheel kickers? How much effort are the
various dealers going to have to put in to make a sale to you? We know
you spend quite a lot of time going to dealers - that adds up.




From: Clive George on
On 24/06/2010 20:26, Chris Bartram wrote:

> That's avoiding the point. They weren't being paid to ignore people.
....
> Perhaps because the roads were quiet? I go shopping when the matches are
> on, because driving there is less tedious. I don't see what's cuntish
> about expecting someone to do their job, I'm afraid.

Why is it that so many people have got this wrong? Their job at that
point isn't necessarily to sell cars to Kev. If management are happy
with them watching telly, that's within the scope of their job at the time.

From: Clive George on
On 24/06/2010 21:19, Ret. wrote:

> Because I wanted to get away from the incessant football yatter on the box.

I appear to have avoided incessant football yatter on the box very
effectively for at least the past ten years. There are various controls
which enable me to do this, ranging from selecting a different source to
switching the thing off.

3pm on a glorious summers day - I can think of many things better than
either car shopping or watching telly. Why weren't you out enjoying the
garden or the fine countryside your house is surrounded with? Maybe a
day trip somewhere nice? You're retired, you've got the time to do that
sort of thing - why waste it in the way you're doing?