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From: Clocky on 16 Jul 2010 20:20 Noddy wrote: > "D Walford" <dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message > news:4c400d74$0$28652$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > >> Using common sense isn't something cops these days seem to be >> trained to do. >> In the "good old days" they would have just taken his keys but these >> days they must get brownie points for the number of charges they >> write so common sense is abandoned. > > Seems that way. Either he posed a risk in which case he needed to be booked or he didn't in which case taking his keys isn't justifiable. It has nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with proper procedure and liability, it's a sign of the times and the litigation society (one where a drunk driver can get let off by a minor procedural error or loophole) and the cops are stuck between a rock and a hard place.
From: D Walford on 16 Jul 2010 20:53 On 17/07/2010 10:20 AM, Clocky wrote: > Noddy wrote: >> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >> news:4c400d74$0$28652$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> >>> Using common sense isn't something cops these days seem to be >>> trained to do. >>> In the "good old days" they would have just taken his keys but these >>> days they must get brownie points for the number of charges they >>> write so common sense is abandoned. >> >> Seems that way. > > Either he posed a risk in which case he needed to be booked or he didn't in > which case taking his keys isn't justifiable. > > It has nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with proper > procedure and liability, it's a sign of the times and the litigation society > (one where a drunk driver can get let off by a minor procedural error or > loophole) and the cops are stuck between a rock and a hard place. > > So you would be happy to be fined for speeding next time you get in your car just in case you did speed because we are all told that speed kills so prevention is better than cure. If you don't speed this time think of it as a down payment on next time you do speed and I know you will so you deserve your fine sooner or later. Welcome to the police state, don't forget to pay up on time and have a nice day:-) Daryl
From: Clocky on 17 Jul 2010 02:49 D Walford wrote: > On 17/07/2010 10:20 AM, Clocky wrote: >> Noddy wrote: >>> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >>> news:4c400d74$0$28652$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> >>>> Using common sense isn't something cops these days seem to be >>>> trained to do. >>>> In the "good old days" they would have just taken his keys but >>>> these days they must get brownie points for the number of charges >>>> they write so common sense is abandoned. >>> >>> Seems that way. >> >> Either he posed a risk in which case he needed to be booked or he >> didn't in which case taking his keys isn't justifiable. >> >> It has nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with >> proper procedure and liability, it's a sign of the times and the >> litigation society (one where a drunk driver can get let off by a >> minor procedural error or loophole) and the cops are stuck between a >> rock and a hard place. > So you would be happy to be fined for speeding next time you get in > your car just in case you did speed because we are all told that > speed kills so prevention is better than cure. There is no evidence that I'm going to speed when I step into a car, there is no *intent* that you could prove. When a drunk is sitting behind the steering wheel of a running car, there is some pretty damning evidence of intent to drive... well to most rational people who remember the sort of decisions they think are rational whilst they are under the influence that is. > If you don't speed this time think of it as a down payment on next > time you do speed and I know you will so you deserve your fine sooner > or later. Welcome to the police state, don't forget to pay up on time > and have a nice day:-) > Pity speeding has nothing to do with what was being discussed.
From: Feral on 17 Jul 2010 03:33 Clocky wrote: > Reading some of the tripe in here it's no wonder society is going to hell in > a handbasket. I'm afraid this group has become top heavy with anti-establisment chest pounders who don't see the need for policing, regulations and any type of authority. -- Take Care. ~~ Feral Al ( @..@) (\- :-P -/) ((.>__oo__<.)) ^^^ % ^^^
From: D Walford on 17 Jul 2010 05:10
On 17/07/2010 4:49 PM, Clocky wrote: > D Walford wrote: >> On 17/07/2010 10:20 AM, Clocky wrote: >>> Noddy wrote: >>>> "D Walford"<dwalford(a)internode.on.net> wrote in message >>>> news:4c400d74$0$28652$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> >>>>> Using common sense isn't something cops these days seem to be >>>>> trained to do. >>>>> In the "good old days" they would have just taken his keys but >>>>> these days they must get brownie points for the number of charges >>>>> they write so common sense is abandoned. >>>> >>>> Seems that way. >>> >>> Either he posed a risk in which case he needed to be booked or he >>> didn't in which case taking his keys isn't justifiable. >>> >>> It has nothing to do with common sense and everything to do with >>> proper procedure and liability, it's a sign of the times and the >>> litigation society (one where a drunk driver can get let off by a >>> minor procedural error or loophole) and the cops are stuck between a >>> rock and a hard place. >> So you would be happy to be fined for speeding next time you get in >> your car just in case you did speed because we are all told that >> speed kills so prevention is better than cure. > > There is no evidence that I'm going to speed when I step into a car, Yes there is, you are a driver therefore you will speed, just ask any cop, like you they think we are all criminals unless proven otherwise. there > is no *intent* that you could prove. When a drunk is sitting behind the > steering wheel of a running car, there is some pretty damning evidence of > intent to drive.. Utter bullshit. .. well to most rational people who remember the sort of > decisions they think are rational whilst they are under the influence that > is. > >> If you don't speed this time think of it as a down payment on next >> time you do speed and I know you will so you deserve your fine sooner >> or later. Welcome to the police state, don't forget to pay up on time >> and have a nice day:-) >> > > Pity speeding has nothing to do with what was being discussed. It has everything to do with it, its about the assumption that a person will break the law despite there being no evidence. Daryl |