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From: hippo on 22 Mar 2010 19:08 jonz wrote: > > On 3/22/2010 10:11 AM, hippo wrote: > > jonz wrote: > >> > >> On 3/21/2010 10:47 PM, hippo wrote: > >>> George W Frost wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> "hippo"<am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in > >>>> message news:ho4r6k$e5t$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > >>>>> Noddy wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> "Kev"<kevcat(a)optunet.com.au> wrote in message > >>>>>> news:4ba59821$0$1783$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Did the XW/XY even have a collapsible column? I thought they came out > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> the XA > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yeah, the XW/XY column had a collapsible bottom section. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The rules must have changed in NSW in the last ten years or so as when I > >>>>>> bought my XP from Arncliffe it was V8 registered with an Engineers > > report > >>>>>> and it still had the factory steering and lap only seat belts. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If the bloke needs to fit a collapsible column then he'll have a > > headache > >>>>>> about what to do with the rest of the steering as the standard XP > >>>>>> steering > >>>>>> box ran a fixed box and column assembly. His options are limited to > >>>>>> either > >>>>>> cutting the standard XP column down and mating it to the XW/XY column > >>>>>> with > >>>>>> an LH Torana universal, fitting a later model XF Steering box (which > > will > >>>>>> line up with 2 of the 3 existing chassis holes and isn't recommended as > >>>>>> it > >>>>>> makes for pretty lousy steering) or converting it to rack& pinion. Rack > >>>>>> conversions can be simple (but uber expensive) using incredibly > >>>>>> over-priced > >>>>>> equipment from RRS which is a bolt in deal, or he can use an early > >>>>>> Cortina > >>>>>> rack and fabricate his own bracketry. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Whatever he decides, he should stay the *hell* away from the rack > >>>>>> conversion > >>>>>> stuff sold by CRS. It's *woefully* bad, and will cause all kinds of sump > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> exhaust clearance issues. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>> Noddy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks. He's planning to mate it to Fairlane steering; ZC? I *think*. > >>>>> Engine/trans installation looks good and tidy, so I'll assume he's going > >>>>> to work something out that conforms, works and looks good. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I think the ZC and the XW have the same steering box > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> Prolly, so now he just needs a column. Jonz is probably the closest, but > >>> I'm guessing there isn't one on his fleet, so anybody else....? > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> no, i don`t have one....but one of my mates is into fords of that > >> era, i`ll check him out.......cheers. > >>> > >> > >> > > > > Ta.... sitting in Nowra lookig at a windless day and a big fat stormcloud > > right overhead. Still no rain though... yet! Cheers > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > much the same here (Moruya), and bloody muggy with it....Steve > thinks he has an xw column "somewhere in the shed" i`ll keep you posted, > cheers. > > > > > He bought one off the net yesterday, but thanks anyway. Cheers -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au
From: hippo on 22 Mar 2010 19:12 Noddy wrote: > > > "hippo" <am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in > message news:ho4r6k$e5t$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > > > Thanks. He's planning to mate it to Fairlane steering; ZC? I *think*. > > Hmmm... That's *not* a good idea. > > Later model steering boxes *aren't* a great fit on early Falcons, even > though they look like they go close. If you use a steering box from anything > later than an XP model, only two of the three mounting holes in the chassis > rail will line up with the later box (necessitating a drilling with a crush > tube needing to be inserted if you wish to do it properly), and even then > the Pitman arm ends up at the wrong angle for the steering linkage. To make > it work, you need to notch the bottom of the spring tower for adequate > clearance *and* have an XP Pitman arm bored and splined so it'll fit onto > the later model steering box shaft and provide the correct angle for the > steering gear. > > That's a lot of work, and at the end of the day you still have a rattly old > fluid dripping ZC steering box :) > > > Engine/trans installation looks good and tidy, so I'll assume he's going > > to work something out that conforms, works and looks good. > > His cheapest and easiest option (if he can live with the 5.5 turns lock to > lock of the standard steering box that is) is to have the standard XP column > shaft shortened to mate with the XW/Y column via a universal. It's not a > difficult option and any machine shop can do it for 50 bucks. > > From memory, if he uses an EF Falcon steering universal he can have it bored > to the 3/4" size of the standard XP column shaft and use an LH Torana cotter > pin in place of the EF clamp bolt which will successfully mate the universal > to the shaft with nothing other than a small flat machined in the shaft > itself for the cotter pin to grab onto. He can do the same thing on the XW/Y > column to mate it to the universal as well, and he's in business. He'll need > to pay attention to the column alignment when he fits the thing as the EF > uni doesn't like lots of angle, but apart from that it's pretty straight > forward. > > No chassis mods, no steering gear woes and adequate exhaust clearance if he > runs standard early model factory manifolds and remembers to machine the > carb heat pipe boss off the one on the driver's side. > > If it were me and I was fitting a V8 to an early Falcon (which I am :) I'd > be giving serious thought to a decent rack & pinion conversion as early > Fords had *horrible* steering, and the additional mumbo of a couple of extra > cylinders only makes matters worse. They need all the help they can get in > this area and doing away with the steering box is a definite plus. > > -- > Regards, > Noddy. > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I've passed this all on. He'd been told most of it, but without some of the more specific details. There's an XW column on the way, so now he's got the choice of oging wiht the XP box or the ZC one. His call! BTW, next time I see it, I'll try and get a photo of the XP coupe near Pyree. Very stock, very nice & often on the road. Cheers -- Posted at www.usenet.com.au
From: Noddy on 22 Mar 2010 21:18 "hippo" <am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote in message news:ho8th0$1fd$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > BTW, next time I see it, I'll try and get a photo of the XP coupe near > Pyree. Very stock, very nice & often on the road. Cheers Nice. I'd be interested in seeing it. Thanks. -- Regards, Noddy.
From: Noddy on 22 Mar 2010 22:33 "George W Frost" <georgewfrost(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:o_Upn.14417$pv.5143(a)news-server.bigpond.net.au... > Oi ! > > a good friend of mine used to build the fibreglass bodies for them Oh. My sympathies :) -- Regards, Noddy.
From: jonz on 22 Mar 2010 22:49
On 3/23/2010 10:08 AM, hippo wrote: > jonz wrote: >> >> On 3/22/2010 10:11 AM, hippo wrote: >>> jonz wrote: >>>> >>>> On 3/21/2010 10:47 PM, hippo wrote: >>>>> George W Frost wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "hippo"<am9obmhAc2hvYWwubmV0LmF1(a)REGISTERED_USER_usenet.com.au> wrote > in >>>>>> message news:ho4r6k$e5t$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>>>> Noddy wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Kev"<kevcat(a)optunet.com.au> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:4ba59821$0$1783$afc38c87(a)news.optusnet.com.au... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Did the XW/XY even have a collapsible column? I thought they came out >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the XA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yeah, the XW/XY column had a collapsible bottom section. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The rules must have changed in NSW in the last ten years or so as > when I >>>>>>>> bought my XP from Arncliffe it was V8 registered with an Engineers >>> report >>>>>>>> and it still had the factory steering and lap only seat belts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the bloke needs to fit a collapsible column then he'll have a >>> headache >>>>>>>> about what to do with the rest of the steering as the standard XP >>>>>>>> steering >>>>>>>> box ran a fixed box and column assembly. His options are limited to >>>>>>>> either >>>>>>>> cutting the standard XP column down and mating it to the XW/XY column >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> an LH Torana universal, fitting a later model XF Steering box (which >>> will >>>>>>>> line up with 2 of the 3 existing chassis holes and isn't recommended > as >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> makes for pretty lousy steering) or converting it to rack& pinion. > Rack >>>>>>>> conversions can be simple (but uber expensive) using incredibly >>>>>>>> over-priced >>>>>>>> equipment from RRS which is a bolt in deal, or he can use an early >>>>>>>> Cortina >>>>>>>> rack and fabricate his own bracketry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whatever he decides, he should stay the *hell* away from the rack >>>>>>>> conversion >>>>>>>> stuff sold by CRS. It's *woefully* bad, and will cause all kinds of > sump >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> exhaust clearance issues. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Noddy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. He's planning to mate it to Fairlane steering; ZC? I *think*. >>>>>>> Engine/trans installation looks good and tidy, so I'll assume he's > going >>>>>>> to work something out that conforms, works and looks good. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the ZC and the XW have the same steering box >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Prolly, so now he just needs a column. Jonz is probably the closest, but >>>>> I'm guessing there isn't one on his fleet, so anybody else....? >>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>>> no, i don`t have one....but one of my mates is into fords of that >>>> era, i`ll check him out.......cheers. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Ta.... sitting in Nowra lookig at a windless day and a big fat stormcloud >>> right overhead. Still no rain though... yet! Cheers >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> much the same here (Moruya), and bloody muggy with it....Steve >> thinks he has an xw column "somewhere in the shed" i`ll keep you posted, >> cheers. >> >>> >> >> > > He bought one off the net yesterday, but thanks anyway. Cheers ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OK, a good result.......came up m/t down here....... > -- jonz "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind - boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." - Gene Spafford,1992 |