Yet another dangerous car model.
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From: Brimstone on 14 Apr 2010 08:08 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:a4438d85-0226-4a98-afa2-a9ae316943ca(a)r27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com... > On 14 Apr, 11:48, "John Turner" <nos...(a)nospam.invalid> wrote: >> "Doug" wrote >> >> > To try to equate the danger presented by a non-faulty bicycle at 15mph >> > with a faulty car capable fo very high speeds indeed is utterly >> > ludicrous. >> >> Why is it? If ridden/driven inappropriately any vehicle, whether >> propelled >> by an engine or by pedals, could easily cause injury or death. >> > Simple science, i.e. momentum and resulting impact force. > It's good to see that you can agree with some people some of the time Doug. We now need to get that up to most people most of the time.
From: bugbear on 14 Apr 2010 10:32 Doug wrote: > On 14 Apr, 10:47, "Mrcheerful" <nbk...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >> Doug wrote: >>> Makes you wonder how many of these dangerous cars are currently still >>> allowed to be in use in the UK, along with all the others with serious >>> faults, doesn't it? >>> "Toyota suspends US sales of Lexus GX 460 >>> Japanese carmaker Toyota has announced that it will suspend sales in >>> the US of one of its luxury vehicles. >>> The move came after a US consumer organisation warned customers not to >>> buy the Lexus GX 460 four-wheel drive because of fears it could roll >>> over. >>> The last time it judged a vehicle's performance unacceptable was in >>> 2001..." >>> More: >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8618585.stm >> when will 'they' do something about these dangerous electric bicycles with >> the over powerful motors would be more relevant to a UK newsgroup. >> > To try to equate the danger presented by a non-faulty bicycle at 15mph > with a faulty car capable fo very high speeds indeed is utterly > ludicrous. Perhaps that's why MrCheerful didn't do it ;-) You need to work on your reading skills. BugBear
From: Tony Dragon on 14 Apr 2010 12:15 Doug wrote: > On 14 Apr, 11:04, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> On 14 Apr, 10:54, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 14 Apr, 10:47, "Mrcheerful" <nbk...(a)hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >>>> Doug wrote: >>>>> Makes you wonder how many of these dangerous cars are currently still >>>>> allowed to be in use in the UK, along with all the others with serious >>>>> faults, doesn't it? >>>>> "Toyota suspends US sales of Lexus GX 460 >>>>> Japanese carmaker Toyota has announced that it will suspend sales in >>>>> the US of one of its luxury vehicles. >>>>> The move came after a US consumer organisation warned customers not to >>>>> buy the Lexus GX 460 four-wheel drive because of fears it could roll >>>>> over. >>>>> The last time it judged a vehicle's performance unacceptable was in >>>>> 2001..." >>>>> More: >>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8618585.stm >>>> when will 'they' do something about these dangerous electric bicycles with >>>> the over powerful motors would be more relevant to a UK newsgroup. >>> To try to equate the danger presented by a non-faulty bicycle at 15mph >>> with a faulty car capable fo very high speeds indeed is utterly >>> ludicrous. >> Why? It could still cause a serious or fatal accident. I would >> personally feel much safer in any Toyota or Lexus car, than on one of >> these dangerous contraptions. >> > Its not the danger to the user but the danger posed to other road > users when driving a faulty car. > > -- > UK Radical Campaigns > www.zing.icom43.net > A driving licence is a licence to kill. > > Are you still using an illegal vehicle Doug? -- Tony Dragon
From: Doug on 14 Apr 2010 12:38 On 14 Apr, 12:50, Derek C <del.copel...(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > On 14 Apr, 10:36, Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > Makes you wonder how many of these dangerous cars are currently still > > allowed to be in use in the UK, along with all the others with serious > > faults, doesn't it? > > > "Toyota suspends US sales of Lexus GX 460 > > > Japanese carmaker Toyota has announced that it will suspend sales in > > the US of one of its luxury vehicles. > > > The move came after a US consumer organisation warned customers not to > > buy the Lexus GX 460 four-wheel drive because of fears it could roll > > over. > > > The last time it judged a vehicle's performance unacceptable was in > > 2001..." > > > More:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8618585.stm > > > -- > > I seem to remember that the Ford Explorer SUV had similar roll over > problems (and faulty tyres as well) a few year ago. The original > rather tall thin Mercedes A Class also had a tendency to roll over > until modifications were made to its suspension. So why do you only > pick on the Toyota/Lexus brands Doug? Do you have some sort of grudge > against them? > > It is a fact of life that tall vehicles have a greater tendency to > roll over and need to be driven with a bit more respect to their > limitations. You as an ex Land Rover driver should know this as well > as anybody! > Its only since the Toyota debacle was given so much attention by the media that the full horror of so many unsafe cars on our roads has really come to light. Obviously there is a long history of faulty cars being allowed on our roads to kill people. -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Norman Wells on 14 Apr 2010 13:20
Doug wrote: > Its only since the Toyota debacle was given so much attention by the > media that the full horror of so many unsafe cars on our roads has > really come to light. Obviously there is a long history of faulty cars > being allowed on our roads to kill people. Time to 'do the math' again then, Doug. 2500 people die on the roads each year out of 750,000 or so deaths from all causes annually. That means you have just a 1 in 300 chance of dying on the roads. However only 3% of all deaths are in accidents where the vehicle is defective, so that means you have just a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying on the roads where the vehicle is defective. However, 75% of all accidents on the roads involving pedestrians or cyclists are caused by the pedestrian or cyclist himself. Only 25% are the fault of the motorist. That means you have just a 1 in 40,000 chance of dying on the roads as a pedestrian or cyclist where the vehicle is defective and where the accident is not your own fault. Since you will live on average for about 80 years, that means you can reasonably expect to die on the roads as a pedestrian or cyclist where the vehicle is defective and where the accident is not your own fault, just once in 3,200,000 years. I think most would take the risk. |