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From: Steve Walker on 14 Apr 2010 16:40 Doug wrote: > Its only since the Toyota debacle was given so much attention by the > media that the full horror of so many unsafe cars on our roads has > really come to light. Obviously there is a long history of faulty cars > being allowed on our roads to kill people. You're an idiot, Doug.
From: Norman Wells on 14 Apr 2010 16:39 Phil W Lee wrote: > "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-throat(a)dibblers-pies.co.am> considered Wed, > 14 Apr 2010 18:20:56 +0100 the perfect time to write: > >> Doug wrote: >> >>> Its only since the Toyota debacle was given so much attention by the >>> media that the full horror of so many unsafe cars on our roads has >>> really come to light. Obviously there is a long history of faulty >>> cars being allowed on our roads to kill people. >> >> Time to 'do the math' again then, Doug. >> >> 2500 people die on the roads each year out of 750,000 or so deaths >> from all causes annually. That means you have just a 1 in 300 >> chance of dying on the roads. >> >> However only 3% of all deaths are in accidents where the vehicle is >> defective, so that means you have just a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying >> on the roads where the vehicle is defective. >> >> However, 75% of all accidents on the roads involving pedestrians or >> cyclists are caused by the pedestrian or cyclist himself. Only 25% >> are the fault of the motorist. > > According to every statistic I've ever seen on the subject, you have > that reversed. 75% are the fault of the motorist. Then you'll never be able to say that again. See: http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/research/rsrr/theme5/contributoryfactorstoroadacc.pdf Table 1. > Unless you interpret fault as "the pedestrian/cyclist didn't leap out > of the way or teleport themself elsewhere". > Of course, that's a minimum - it could reasonably be argued that EVERY > incident involving a motor vehicle is the fault of the driver, since > without them choosing to use a means of transport that has known > dangers to everyone, it is very unlikely that the incident would have > occurred. > >> That means you have just a 1 in 40,000 chance of dying >> on the roads as a pedestrian or cyclist where the vehicle is >> defective and where the accident is not your own fault. > > If it was caused by a defective vehicle, it is demonstrably not the > fault of the pedestrian/cyclist. I said 'where the vehicle is defective', not 'caused by a defective vehicle'. There is a difference. >> Since you will live on average for about 80 years, that means you can >> reasonably expect to die on the roads as a pedestrian or cyclist >> where the vehicle is defective and where the accident is not your >> own fault, just once in 3,200,000 years. >> >> I think most would take the risk. > > You can't multiply both fault and vehicle defect into the probability. > It is either caused by one or the other Yes you can if you read what I said..
From: Steve Walker on 14 Apr 2010 16:44 BrianW wrote: > Indeed, these 4x4s can be very dangerous - they are prone to rolling > over. I know this because someone here once sent a post about his > Landrover overturning on rough ground. I wonder where that post is? > > <Googles> > > Ah yes, here it is: > > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.transport/msg/444e41fce4640ed8?hl=en&dmode=source > > Hey, look, it was sent from the same name and address as your post, > Doug. What are the chances of that? Hang on.... This is a new and OK side of Doug. He smokes, and he goes off-roading with a landrover! There's hope yet, let's buy him a subscription to Max Power and see if he mellows....
From: Dr Zoidberg on 14 Apr 2010 17:21 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:0602516f-1368-47b4-b8ec-c5dbf8a15502(a)8g2000yqz.googlegroups.com... > Still, they are allowed here but not in the US, the same as the other > faulty Toyotas. Does road safety mean nothing to our government? Toyota have stopped selling new ones. That doesn't mean they aren't legally able to be driven on the roads. -- Alex
From: Doug on 15 Apr 2010 02:23
On 14 Apr, 19:52, shaun.jamesons...(a)ntlworld.com (Shaun) wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:36:56 -0700 (PDT), Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net> > wrote: > > >"Toyota suspends US sales of Lexus GX 460 > >Makes you wonder how many of these dangerous cars are currently still > >allowed to be in use in the UK, along with all the others with serious > >faults, doesn't it? > > This faults only occur when sold in the same country as American cars. > "Toyota suspends sales of Lexus GX 460 worldwide" http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8621402.stm All very well but what about the ones presently on our roads and still threatening lives? -- UK Radical Campaigns www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill. |