From: Steve Walker on 14 Apr 2010 16:40
> Its only since the Toyota debacle was given so much attention by the
> media that the full horror of so many unsafe cars on our roads has
> really come to light. Obviously there is a long history of faulty cars
> being allowed on our roads to kill people.
You're an idiot, Doug.
From: Norman Wells on 14 Apr 2010 16:39
Phil W Lee wrote:
> "Norman Wells" <cut-me-own-throat(a)dibblers-pies.co.am> considered Wed,
> 14 Apr 2010 18:20:56 +0100 the perfect time to write:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Its only since the Toyota debacle was given so much attention by the
>>> media that the full horror of so many unsafe cars on our roads has
>>> really come to light. Obviously there is a long history of faulty
>>> cars being allowed on our roads to kill people.
>> Time to 'do the math' again then, Doug.
>> 2500 people die on the roads each year out of 750,000 or so deaths
>> from all causes annually. That means you have just a 1 in 300
>> chance of dying on the roads.
>> However only 3% of all deaths are in accidents where the vehicle is
>> defective, so that means you have just a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying
>> on the roads where the vehicle is defective.
>> However, 75% of all accidents on the roads involving pedestrians or
>> cyclists are caused by the pedestrian or cyclist himself. Only 25%
>> are the fault of the motorist.
> According to every statistic I've ever seen on the subject, you have
> that reversed. 75% are the fault of the motorist.
Then you'll never be able to say that again. See:
> Unless you interpret fault as "the pedestrian/cyclist didn't leap out
> of the way or teleport themself elsewhere".
> Of course, that's a minimum - it could reasonably be argued that EVERY
> incident involving a motor vehicle is the fault of the driver, since
> without them choosing to use a means of transport that has known
> dangers to everyone, it is very unlikely that the incident would have
>> That means you have just a 1 in 40,000 chance of dying
>> on the roads as a pedestrian or cyclist where the vehicle is
>> defective and where the accident is not your own fault.
> If it was caused by a defective vehicle, it is demonstrably not the
> fault of the pedestrian/cyclist.
I said 'where the vehicle is defective', not 'caused by a defective
vehicle'. There is a difference.
>> Since you will live on average for about 80 years, that means you can
>> reasonably expect to die on the roads as a pedestrian or cyclist
>> where the vehicle is defective and where the accident is not your
>> own fault, just once in 3,200,000 years.
>> I think most would take the risk.
> You can't multiply both fault and vehicle defect into the probability.
> It is either caused by one or the other
Yes you can if you read what I said..
From: Steve Walker on 14 Apr 2010 16:44
> Indeed, these 4x4s can be very dangerous - they are prone to rolling
> over. I know this because someone here once sent a post about his
> Landrover overturning on rough ground. I wonder where that post is?
> Ah yes, here it is:
> Hey, look, it was sent from the same name and address as your post,
> Doug. What are the chances of that?
Hang on.... This is a new and OK side of Doug. He smokes, and he goes
off-roading with a landrover! There's hope yet, let's buy him a
subscription to Max Power and see if he mellows....
From: Dr Zoidberg on 14 Apr 2010 17:21
"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message
> Still, they are allowed here but not in the US, the same as the other
> faulty Toyotas. Does road safety mean nothing to our government?
Toyota have stopped selling new ones.
That doesn't mean they aren't legally able to be driven on the roads.
From: Doug on 15 Apr 2010 02:23
On 14 Apr, 19:52, shaun.jamesons...(a)ntlworld.com (Shaun) wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:36:56 -0700 (PDT), Doug <jag...(a)riseup.net>
> >"Toyota suspends US sales of Lexus GX 460
> >Makes you wonder how many of these dangerous cars are currently still
> >allowed to be in use in the UK, along with all the others with serious
> >faults, doesn't it?
> This faults only occur when sold in the same country as American cars.
"Toyota suspends sales of Lexus GX 460 worldwide"
All very well but what about the ones presently on our roads and still
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