Yet another pavement killing, by police this time.
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From: Derek Geldard on 6 Jun 2010 16:09 On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:51:54 +0100, Nick <Nick.spam(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >Derek Geldard wrote: >> On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 19:11:22 +0100, Nick <Nick.spam(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> Dr Zoidberg wrote: >>> >>>> The alternative is driving at 10mph or less to all emergencies. How many >>>> people would die that way? >>> I can see that ambulances and fire engines often need to drive at speed >>> to save lives yet they seem to have a much lower accident rate than the >>> police. >>> >>>> They need to strike a sensible balance between the severity of the >>>> incident and the speed they drive at, but in the main they do this very >>>> well. >>>> >>> This is the type of argument we always hear after the police have killed >>> some innocent. I don't see any evidence that they do get the balance >>> right. These are the type of people who see no problem with a risk >>> assessment that leads them to shoot an innocent man because he might be >>> about to explode a bomb, which he has somehow managed to hide under his >>> T-shirt. >>> >> >> Yeah, Whatever. (Yawn) >> >> Still not a transport issue and therefore off topic in >> uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.driving. >> > >Issues related to car driving with respect to road safety do appear to >be on topic http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.driving.html. > >General transport issues apparently should be on uk.transport. > >Perhaps you would like to expand your argument? > No. Driving by police whilst on duty, nay whilst on an actual vehicular pursuit, does not fall into the category of "non-professional motorised vehicle driving" . It's not bicycle science. Derek
From: Nick on 7 Jun 2010 01:50 Derek Geldard wrote: >> Issues related to car driving with respect to road safety do appear to >> be on topic http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.driving.html. >> >> General transport issues apparently should be on uk.transport. >> >> Perhaps you would like to expand your argument? >> > > No. > > Driving by police whilst on duty, nay whilst on an actual vehicular > pursuit, does not fall into the category of "non-professional > motorised vehicle driving" . > > It's not bicycle science. > > Derek > A curious response? The full sentence you quote is *** The purpose of this group is the discussion of all aspects of non-professional motorised vehicle driving including, but not exhaustively, good places for 'fun' drives, driving skills, training and driving organisations such as the IAM, RoSPA & so forth, road safety, road law enforcement, general insurance issues and legal interpretation of driving law. *** Given that the full sentence explicitly mentions *road safety* and *road law enforcement* it seems very strange to suggest that the topic is excluded because the police are professional drivers? You can continue to dig deeper if you want but I suspect that other posters will be making negative inferences about your intellectual ability if you do. Here is the link again for people who want to decide for themselves. http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.driving.html
From: Doug on 7 Jun 2010 02:13 On 6 June, 14:02, PeterG <petergra...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On Jun 6, 1:56 pm, David Hansen <SENDdavidNOhS...(a)spidacom.co.uk> > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:42:41 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be webreader > > <websiterea...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote this:- > > > >So putting cyclist in the text makes it on topic? > > > In which group? > > > It is certainly on topic for uk.rec.driving. > > > uk.rec.cycling? Well we are constantly bombarded with claims of > > "killer cyclists" terrorising and murdering pedestrians as they walk > > along the pavement. These claims come from a number of people who > > appear to be Mr Toad style motorists. The counter to these stories > > is that it is important to consider the extent of the danger > > cyclists pose to pedestrians on the pavement, as opposed to the > > danger posed by other pedestrians and motorists. Doug has given us > > another data point. > > > Cue loud responses which do everything except deal with the point. > > > -- > > David Hansen, Edinburgh > > I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me > > http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_8#pt3-pb3-l1g54 > > "Cue loud responses which do everything except deal with the point" > > Well you have given one, next please. > The sheer force and consequent danger of a car crash, which could never be emulated by a cyclist, is demonstrated as follows... "House shook in Luton police car death crash A woman who lives in the house into which a police car crashed after killing two pedestrians in Luton has described the moment it happened. The men died when the Vauxhall Astra panda car came off the road after a collision with a Toyota Celica on Friday night..." Ooops! A Toyota eh? I wonder if its computer had a glitch or its accelerator pedal stuck? "...The victims, believed to be Algerians, were on the path at the junction of Holland Road and Leagrave Road. Mahmoona Rasoon said: "Everything shook, I could feel the floor shaking." Ms Rasoon said she looked out of an upstairs window to find a police car had demolished her front garden wall then smashed into the front of the house..." More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds_bucks_and_herts/10249476.stm Awful! Lucky she or the house didn't fall down. Now if it had been a bicycle instead of a car... -- UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net A driving licence is a licence to kill.
From: Mark on 7 Jun 2010 02:19 "Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:2a8cd346-aef8-4ade-84c0-7f3127bf595a(a)x27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com... > Once again demonstrating that nowhere is safe from these killer > drivers. So why do you complain when the police target specific groups of motorists most likely to be driving death traps?
From: Brimstone on 7 Jun 2010 02:24
"Doug" <jagmad(a)riseup.net> wrote in message news:bec0b38e-b50b-4f64-89b9-9e22e3647c4f(a)q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... > On 6 June, 14:02, PeterG <petergra...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> On Jun 6, 1:56 pm, David Hansen <SENDdavidNOhS...(a)spidacom.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:42:41 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be webreader >> > <websiterea...(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote this:- >> >> > >So putting cyclist in the text makes it on topic? >> >> > In which group? >> >> > It is certainly on topic for uk.rec.driving. >> >> > uk.rec.cycling? Well we are constantly bombarded with claims of >> > "killer cyclists" terrorising and murdering pedestrians as they walk >> > along the pavement. These claims come from a number of people who >> > appear to be Mr Toad style motorists. The counter to these stories >> > is that it is important to consider the extent of the danger >> > cyclists pose to pedestrians on the pavement, as opposed to the >> > danger posed by other pedestrians and motorists. Doug has given us >> > another data point. >> >> > Cue loud responses which do everything except deal with the point. >> >> > -- >> > David Hansen, Edinburgh >> > I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents >> > me >> > http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_8#pt3-pb3-l1g54 >> >> "Cue loud responses which do everything except deal with the point" >> >> Well you have given one, next please. >> > The sheer force and consequent danger of a car crash, which could > never be emulated by a cyclist, is demonstrated as follows... > > "House shook in Luton police car death crash > > A woman who lives in the house into which a police car crashed after > killing two pedestrians in Luton has described the moment it happened. > > The men died when the Vauxhall Astra panda car came off the road after > a collision with a Toyota Celica on Friday night..." > > Ooops! A Toyota eh? I wonder if its computer had a glitch or its > accelerator pedal stuck? > > "...The victims, believed to be Algerians, were on the path at the > junction of Holland Road and Leagrave Road. > > Mahmoona Rasoon said: "Everything shook, I could feel the floor > shaking." > > Ms Rasoon said she looked out of an upstairs window to find a police > car had demolished her front garden wall then smashed into the front > of the house..." > > More: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds_bucks_and_herts/10249476.stm > > Awful! Lucky she or the house didn't fall down. Now if it had been a > bicycle instead of a car... > How would a police office convey a violent prisoner into custody on a bicycle Doug? |