From: Phil Stovell on
On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:13:16 +0000, Ret. wrote:

> I hear what you say, but having seen the significant crime fighting
> successes of anpr, I am personally satisfied that the minimal risk to
> personal privacy is well worth it because everyone benefits from criminals
> being locked up and unlicensed, uninsured vehicles being taken off the
> roads.

That's all very well, and is probably a good thing, but why keep the data
for a further 5 years?

>
> Kev

From: Ret. on
Cynic wrote:
> On 23 Mar 2010 20:07:42 GMT, Adrian <toomany2cvs(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was thinking more of "Why bother matching the make/model?"
>>
>> Several years back, a bunch of us watched from an office window as a
>> team of scrotes picked up a parked motorbike, put it into a white
>> Vauxhall/ Renault/Nissan (I forget which) van, and buggered off -
>> bike alarm still wailing.
>>
>> We all wrote the van plate down.
>>
>> The plate belonged to a blue Kia hatch.
>
> That's where recent technology *has* made a change that I regard as an
> improvement. Checking a plate used to invove radioing the station and
> asking for a check, the results of which were radioed back. Obviously
> the police are not going to do that for every vehicle they see on the
> road.

When I first joined the police in 1971, if we required a registered keeper
'out-of-hours', we had to turn out a Local Authority man from his home to go
and unlock the County Hall offices so that he could wade through the card
index to get the information. Often it could take hours - and when you had,
say, a dead body in a crashed car, you wanted information quick.

>
> But these days the DVLA database can be queried automatically from the
> car at the press of a button, so a police officer is more likely to
> idly query the plate of the car in front on the offchance that there
> is an anomaly.
>
> If you are going to clone a plate, it is so trivial to find a vehicle
> of the same model and colour to clone from that it is hardly worth
> *not* taking such a precaution.

True - but ANPR may eventually resolve that issue. If ANPR in Scotland
records a particular number - and then ANPR in London records the same plate
an hour later, it would quite possible for software to detect that something
is wrong and flash up an alarm.

Kev

From: Conor on
On 24/03/2010 16:09, Ret. wrote:

> I don't put my e-mail address on my posts because I know from early
> naive experience that that is the fastest way to end up with tons of
> spam cascading into my inbox on a daily basis.
> But we are not talking about public forums - we are talking about
> official and secure databases.
>

Ah yes, official and secure.

As I recall in the last couple of years, the entire records of the child
benefit system have gone missin and there have been several other gaffs
by HMRC, Benefits Agency and security services all involving personal
data of many many thousands of people.


--
Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Conor on
On 24/03/2010 16:02, Ret. wrote:
> Conor wrote:
>> On 24/03/2010 08:31, Bod wrote:
>>
>>> How long have you suffered from paranoia?
>>>
>>> Bod
>>
>> Ask the guy who was wrongly convicted for the murder of Gill Dando.
>>
>> He was convicted purely on the fact he was in the area and minute
>> traces of gunpowder were found in his pocket.
>
> No he wasn't.

Really? That is what was reported at his appeal...

--
Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.
From: Conor on
On 24/03/2010 15:33, Cynic wrote:

>> Just to add, Kev...
>>
>> How did Social Services find out about this incident?
>
> If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
> Think of the children.
> If it saves just one child it is worth it.
> We need to prevent terrorism and abuse.
> No right-thinking person could possibly object.
> These measures are for our own good.
> Blame the criminals for making it necessary.
> It helps win the War on Drugs.
> It helps win the War on Terrorism.
> It helps win the War on Child Abuse.
> It helps win the War on Obesity.
> ... feral youths ... knife crime ... hooliganism ... yada yada
>

Did you notice the lack of a response by Kev?

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Conor I'm not prejudiced. I hate everyone equally.