From: Rob on
Cynic wrote:
|| On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 19:15:52 -0000, "Brimstone"
|| <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
||
||||||| I class all of those bodies as being part of "the government"
||||||| THeir funding and policies are controlled by politicians.
||
||||| Police policy controlled by politicians? if only...
||
|||| Of course it is. The Home Office decides on the priorities and the
|||| targets.

||
||| That only tells them what they must do.
||
|| A body that is under the complete control of the government must
|| surely be regarded as being part of the government?

But unfortunately they're not under the complete control of the government.
It wasn't the gov who ordered them to intercept lawful travellers on the
motorway (miners strike), unlawfully retain DNA samples, introduce kettling
to detain lawful users of the highway, apply random drug screening to
captive crowds in pubs and town centres, etc, etc...

--
Rob


From: Adrian on
Cynic <cynic_999(a)yahoo.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

> Even if it did, one red Ford Fiesta looks the same on CCTV as any other
> red Ford Fiesta.

Not necessarily.

This Fiesta has a GB sticker. That Fiesta has a rear wiper.
From: Adrian on
boltar2003(a)boltar.world gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

> If these people really do believe that tired old mantra that if you have
> nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about then why do they have
> curtains at home?

Umm, I don't have curtains at home. Well, not in the living room, anyway.
From: Ret. on
Conor wrote:
> On 24/03/2010 19:47, Ret. wrote:
>
>> And they are mind readers as well are they? They can miraculously
>> determine where the cars came from and also where they are going to?
>
> They don't need to. All they need to know is how many and what type of
> vehicles travel down a stretch of road at a specific time.

See below - they need to know more than that. That is why they ask the
questions...

>
>
>
>>>> Little point in building a new road from A to B if the traffic on
>>>> the over-congested road is only using it briefly to get from C to
>>>> D.
>>>
>>> Why not? Its still congested.
>>
>> Doh! Because the idea will be to create new roads to divert the
>> traffic away from the congested road - and until they find where
>> that traffic is coming from and wants to get to, where would they
>> build the new road?
> But they can do that by monitoring the traffic flow at other points in
> the area. They manage to do it that way around here....

There are different types of census. Some are mere counting exercises (your
people on picnic chairs) - and some are more detailed. It depends entirely
upon the purpose of the census.

>
>>>
>>>> If you are driving a truck then who you work for may well enable
>>>> them to deduce the likely traffic movements from your depot along
>>>> that road.
>>>
>>> That is none of their business and a traffic survey as I described
>>> would still suffice.
>>
>> See above. No it wouldn't.
>
> Only in your Police State mind....

Only in the real world.

Kev

From: Ret. on
Phil Stovell wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:13:16 +0000, Ret. wrote:
>
>> According to Wikipedia - anpr data will be stored for five years
>> before being destroyed - not decades.
>
> Does Wikipedia say why? If it's had all the immediate successes you've
> listed, why does it need to be kept at all after it has served it's
> immediate purpose?

Because it may be that such information could be required in the future.
EG - the remains of a young girl who has been missing for two years is
discovered in a gulley at the side of the M6. The date she went missing is
known - and so it would be valuable to know what vehicles passed that spot
on the M6 shortly after she went missing.

Kev