From: GT on 27 May 2010 11:51 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:k76dnWBSw64nDmPWnZ2dnUVZ8nOdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4bfe701a$0$10331$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:5MednbJe8JpB9WPWnZ2dnUVZ8m2dnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>> news:4bfe6469$0$5477$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:YNKdnbXS6L7lyWPWnZ2dnUVZ7tCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>> news:4bfe5181$0$17493$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> >>>>>> Perhaps not the first horn, but after a few horns, any alert driver >>>>>> is going to wonder what is going on! >>>>> And how many of the other "alert drivers" in the vicinity stopped to >>>>> check that there was nothing wrong with their vehicles? >>>> >>>> I should imagine a lot of other drivers checked round them to see if >>>> something was wrong, but none of them found another vehicle pinned to >>>> the front of theirs making a terrible screeching noise, smoking from >>>> its tyres and slowing them down. >>>> >>> How do you know the lorry driver didn't look around and see nothing >>> amiss? >> >> You don't really need an answer to that, do you?? OK! If he had looked >> about a bit, he would have spotted that there was a car stuck to the >> front of his truck!! > > How can he see what's that close in front when it's out of his line of > sight, are you suggesting that he should leave his seat and walk round > whilst bowling along the m/way at 56 mph? No, I though perhaps he might lean forward a little and see what he had just hit when he felt the shunt and subsequent loss of power.
From: Brimstone on 27 May 2010 11:51 "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message news:4bfe9439$0$10301$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... > "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:2d2dnXiDA7BZD2PWnZ2dnUVZ7vWdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >> news:4bfe6e94$0$10329$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> in the same way as you can still blow a candle out even if you hold a >>> wine bottle in between your mouth and the flame. >> Why would anyone want to blow a candle out in such a manner? > To entertain and amaze! Hmmmm, each to his own I suppose.
From: GT on 27 May 2010 11:52 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:B9CdnTRel4qJCWPWnZ2dnUVZ7tOdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4bfe7122$0$10314$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:x-ednatbItIO9WPWnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>> news:4bfe6501$0$5486$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:YNKdnbXS6L7lyWPWnZ2dnUVZ7tCdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>>>> news:4bfe5181$0$17493$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>> >>>>>> The only way he would not have heard the noise would be if he were >>>>>> deaf. >>>>> >>>>> Any evidence to support that view? Not theory, hard evidence please. >>>> >>>> You want evidence, watch the video. No science needed to explain the >>>> noise - its coming from the car as it is dragged along and the noise is >>>> louder than the engine. >>>> >>> That's from outside the vehicle. We're discussing events inside. >> >> I think you'll find that the car was outside the vehicle - perhaps you >> should watch the clip again. >> >>> Care to try again? >> >> Q: Can you hear a trucks engine noise from inside the cab? >> A: yes >> >> Q: Is the car tyre noise louder than the engine noise when compared from >> an equal distance? >> A: yes - check the clip. >> >> Q: Given than the car noise is louder than the engine noise and that they >> both originate from sources pretty much the same distance from the >> driver's ears, which would be louder? >> A: The tyre noise >> >> This can all be gathered by watching the clip (with your brain turned >> on). > The clip in the OP has no sound from outside the observer's car. Watch it again with your speaker turned on!! Maybe you have spent too long in a noisy cab and now you are deaf too?
From: GT on 27 May 2010 11:55 "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3fCdnY5Pq7q-D2PWnZ2dnUVZ8hGdnZ2d(a)bt.com... > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4bfe7464$0$10292$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Man at B&Q" <manatbandq(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:087a203b-560c-483c-90ff-9097c0a7d9f4(a)11g2000prv.googlegroups.com... >> On May 27, 11:30 am, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> >>> news:s-mdnSZ1j58V1GPWnZ2dnUVZ8nWdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> >>> > <boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote in message >>> >news:htldfr$6gk$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>> >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:09:10 +0100 >>> >> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Well mine has about 350 but thats beside the point. The noise of >>> >>>> hitting >>> >>>> the >>> >>>> cone and the scraping sound would have been a giveaway if I hadn't >>> >>>> seen >>> >>>> it >>> >>>> already (cone knocked over by another vehicle in roadworks , going >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> fast >>> >>>> to >>> >>>> swerve , not an interesting tale). >>> >>> >>>What if you hadn't seen it and the collision was so gentle that there >>> >>>was >>> >>>no >>> >>>noise transmitted to you? >>> >>> >> Then I wouldn't have heard the initial bang. But I'd still have heard >>> >> the >>> >> scraping sound coming from under the car. >>> >>> > How do you know beyond all reasonable doubt that you would have heard >>> > it? >>> >>> Because it is audible on the video clip which is recorded on a low >>> quality, >>> low sensitivity microphone >> >> MBQ failed to indent his post: >> " >> So what's the frequency response of that "low quality, low >> sensitivity" microphone? How does it corrspond to the frequencies >> being emitted from (a) the scraping of the car (b) the engine noise? >> " >> >> The frequency response of mobile phone mics are typically between 300 >> hertz and 3,400 hertz, which is somewhere between the high pitched squeel >> of tyres on tarmac and the low gritty noise of a large diesel engine. >> Despite the noises being outwith the phone's sensitive response range, >> the phone would picked up both noises with equal sensitivity. >> > The only thing audible in the clip is a possible bit of wind noise, some > muffled sounds from the interior of the observer's car and the comment > from one of the occupants. > > What do you think can be heard? Wind noise at the start, until he closes his window, then the tyres screeching can be best heard between 9 and 11 seconds through that clip (through the glass as we previously established).
From: GT on 27 May 2010 11:56
"Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tPadncplJPPhCWPWnZ2dnUVZ8mudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message > news:4bfe93e8$0$10318$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >> "Brimstone" <brimstone(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:l7WdncvTteLTDGPWnZ2dnUVZ7smdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>> "GT" <a(a)b.c> wrote in message >>> news:4bfe74bf$0$10300$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com... >>>> "Man at B&Q" <manatbandq(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:3a6236a1-cfde-4278-90bb-81e6f0637636(a)s1g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >>>> On May 27, 11:38 am, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote: >>> >>>>> I'm criticising the lorry driver because he should have stopped >>>> >>>> MBQ failed to indent properly: >>>> " >>>> OH! He did! he was even praised for his subsequent behaviour. >>>> " >>>> >>>> Nobody questioned that - its the amount of time from the 'joining of >>>> vehicles' to the stopping that is the problem. >>> >>> Only for you. Those with knowledge and experience of such things found >>> that it wasn't a problem. >> >> Nobody with experience of such things has yet posted anything, so you're >> wrong there! > So the words of the Traffic Commissioner count for nothing? You are implying that the traffic commissioner has experience of driving a truck with a car attached to its front - I don't think he would have made it as far as traffic commissioner if that were the case!!! |