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>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps not the first horn, but after a few horns, any alert driver
>>>>>> is going to wonder what is going on!
>>>>> And how many of the other "alert drivers" in the vicinity stopped to
>>>>> check that there was nothing wrong with their vehicles?
>>>>
>>>> I should imagine a lot of other drivers checked round them to see if
>>>> something was wrong, but none of them found another vehicle pinned to
>>>> the front of theirs making a terrible screeching noise, smoking from
>>>> its tyres and slowing them down.
>>>>
>>> How do you know the lorry driver didn't look around and see nothing
>>> amiss?
>>
>> You don't really need an answer to that, do you?? OK! If he had looked
>> about a bit, he would have spotted that there was a car stuck to the
>> front of his truck!!
>
> How can he see what's that close in front when it's out of his line of
> sight, are you suggesting that he should leave his seat and walk round
> whilst bowling along the m/way at 56 mph?

No, I though perhaps he might lean forward a little and see what he had just
hit when he felt the shunt and subsequent loss of power.


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>>> in the same way as you can still blow a candle out even if you hold a
>>> wine bottle in between your mouth and the flame.
>> Why would anyone want to blow a candle out in such a manner?
> To entertain and amaze!
Hmmmm, each to his own I suppose.

From: GT on
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>>>>>> The only way he would not have heard the noise would be if he were
>>>>>> deaf.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any evidence to support that view? Not theory, hard evidence please.
>>>>
>>>> You want evidence, watch the video. No science needed to explain the
>>>> noise - its coming from the car as it is dragged along and the noise is
>>>> louder than the engine.
>>>>
>>> That's from outside the vehicle. We're discussing events inside.
>>
>> I think you'll find that the car was outside the vehicle - perhaps you
>> should watch the clip again.
>>
>>> Care to try again?
>>
>> Q: Can you hear a trucks engine noise from inside the cab?
>> A: yes
>>
>> Q: Is the car tyre noise louder than the engine noise when compared from
>> an equal distance?
>> A: yes - check the clip.
>>
>> Q: Given than the car noise is louder than the engine noise and that they
>> both originate from sources pretty much the same distance from the
>> driver's ears, which would be louder?
>> A: The tyre noise
>>
>> This can all be gathered by watching the clip (with your brain turned
>> on).
> The clip in the OP has no sound from outside the observer's car.

Watch it again with your speaker turned on!! Maybe you have spent too long
in a noisy cab and now you are deaf too?


From: GT on
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>> "Man at B&Q" <manatbandq(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On May 27, 11:30 am, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
>>> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>
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>>> > <boltar2...(a)boltar.world> wrote in message
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>>> >> On Thu, 27 May 2010 10:09:10 +0100
>>> >> "Brimstone" <brimst...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> Well mine has about 350 but thats beside the point. The noise of
>>> >>>> hitting
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> cone and the scraping sound would have been a giveaway if I hadn't
>>> >>>> seen
>>> >>>> it
>>> >>>> already (cone knocked over by another vehicle in roadworks , going
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> fast
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> swerve , not an interesting tale).
>>>
>>> >>>What if you hadn't seen it and the collision was so gentle that there
>>> >>>was
>>> >>>no
>>> >>>noise transmitted to you?
>>>
>>> >> Then I wouldn't have heard the initial bang. But I'd still have heard
>>> >> the
>>> >> scraping sound coming from under the car.
>>>
>>> > How do you know beyond all reasonable doubt that you would have heard
>>> > it?
>>>
>>> Because it is audible on the video clip which is recorded on a low
>>> quality,
>>> low sensitivity microphone
>>
>> MBQ failed to indent his post:
>> "
>> So what's the frequency response of that "low quality, low
>> sensitivity" microphone? How does it corrspond to the frequencies
>> being emitted from (a) the scraping of the car (b) the engine noise?
>> "
>>
>> The frequency response of mobile phone mics are typically between 300
>> hertz and 3,400 hertz, which is somewhere between the high pitched squeel
>> of tyres on tarmac and the low gritty noise of a large diesel engine.
>> Despite the noises being outwith the phone's sensitive response range,
>> the phone would picked up both noises with equal sensitivity.
>>
> The only thing audible in the clip is a possible bit of wind noise, some
> muffled sounds from the interior of the observer's car and the comment
> from one of the occupants.
>
> What do you think can be heard?

Wind noise at the start, until he closes his window, then the tyres
screeching can be best heard between 9 and 11 seconds through that clip
(through the glass as we previously established).


From: GT on
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>>>> On May 27, 11:38 am, "GT" <a...(a)b.c> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm criticising the lorry driver because he should have stopped
>>>>
>>>> MBQ failed to indent properly:
>>>> "
>>>> OH! He did! he was even praised for his subsequent behaviour.
>>>> "
>>>>
>>>> Nobody questioned that - its the amount of time from the 'joining of
>>>> vehicles' to the stopping that is the problem.
>>>
>>> Only for you. Those with knowledge and experience of such things found
>>> that it wasn't a problem.
>>
>> Nobody with experience of such things has yet posted anything, so you're
>> wrong there!
> So the words of the Traffic Commissioner count for nothing?
You are implying that the traffic commissioner has experience of driving a
truck with a car attached to its front - I don't think he would have made it
as far as traffic commissioner if that were the case!!!