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From: Larry on 3 Mar 2007 10:57 In article <vt3iu21t8b55lcts5a9vhfv79igv4sgok9(a)4ax.com>, Ashton Crusher <Hello(a)nowhere.net> wrote: > On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 03:33:43 GMT, Larry <x(a)y.com> wrote: > > >In article <1172806269.072397.151900(a)v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>, > > "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > >> Our States are lying to us. > > > >Not this again. The only liar around here is you, proffy. > > > >> Driving is not a privilege. > > > >Yes it is. > > > >> Driving is a > >> Right. > > > >No it isn't. > > Proffs is correct. Driving is a right for private citizens. No it isn't. > The > courts have so ruled. No they haven't. Can you cite a case that says so? > It is not a right for commercial purposes. Just > look at the Motor Vehicle licensing laws. The state has pretty much > zero description in issuing a license. "Description"? I think you mean "discretion." But the state has no discretion in issuing a license - TO the people who meet the qualifications *set by the state*! > There are a couple almost > meaningless hoops to jump thru that simply weed out the criminally > incompetent, the rest get a license.
From: Brent P on 3 Mar 2007 11:49 In article <1172932056.228130.146270(a)h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Harry K wrote: > So why do you have a license? Rights do not need one. Because way back when, cars were new fangled and only owned by a few rich people and were not the common means of road travel. It's not like someone couldn't kill and mame with a horse and wagon. And while horses wouldn't run through walls, they could be spooked now and then and behave in an unpredictable manner outside a person's control.
From: Steve B on 3 Mar 2007 12:25 >> "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: >> >>> Our States are lying to us. >> >>Not this again. The only liar around here is you, proffy. >> >>> Driving is not a privilege. >> >>Yes it is. >> >>> Driving is a >>> Right. >> >>No it isn't. Driving is an attitude. Do I need to go through the licensing process? Do I need to follow the rules of the road? Do I need to follow the laws? People have attitudes both ways. Those who think they need to do these things call driving a privilege. Those who think they are above the unwashed rabble call driving a right. HTH Steve
From: Larry Bud on 3 Mar 2007 12:25 On Mar 3, 2:05 am, k_fl...(a)lycos.com wrote: > On Mar 2, 11:05 pm, Ashton Crusher <H...(a)nowhere.net> wrote: > > > Driving is a right for private citizens. The courts have so ruled. > > Then you should have no trouble providing the court case citation. My gosh, rights aren't determined by the courts. You have rights just for the fact that you were born, i.e. "inalienable rights". Courts can uphold law which violate those rights, but it doesn't mean the rights don't exist.
From: i_tell_it_like_it_is_4 on 3 Mar 2007 12:31
please excuse the top-post. you are VERY correct! Driving is a RIGHT, not a privlege. and exactly for the reason you cite. and, not only the "Right of Liberty", but also the "Right to be secure in our person". As well as "Right to free association". And, because some cops hassle people when they have anti-cop bumper stickers, the "Right to free speech". LOL...every time i see one of those cars with one of those 'cop' stickers - the blue bar surrounded by the black bars - I...........well, I'll take the 5th! ROTFLMAO! "cleven the hooves die pig die! cleven the hooves die pig die! " - some slash metal song, that tells it as it is On Mar 1, 10:31 pm, "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. Driving is a > Right. Our public streets were built on our property with our money > for the purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty. But, the more our > public highways are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all prisoners of > privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > A Rightful Republic may only derive it's Rightful Powers via the > Rightful Consent of the Citizens. If one does not have a Right to do > something, they can not give others, or government, their Rightful > Consent to do that thing. The individual has no authority to prohibit, > deny or obstruct others from doing things which do not violate the > Rights of others. Therefore, they can not give a Rightful Republic > their Rightful Consent to prohibit, deny or obstruct others from doing > things which do not violate the Rights of others. > > When individuals form a collective, they bring into existence certain > behaviors that could not exist before, such as the behavior of > representing the collective. Therefore, only the collective has the > authority to give their Rightful Consent to such collective behaviors, > where no individual of that collective has such authority. But, under > no circumstances may the collective presume to bestow upon themselves, > or upon their representatives, the privilege to prohibit, deny, > obstruct, endanger or violate any Rights of any innocent others. > > This is because Rightful Powers may only be derived by the Rightful > Consent of the Citizens. No Citizen has the authority to prohibit, > deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any innocent others, > therefore they may not individually, or collectively, give their > Rightful Consent bestowing upon their representatives the privilege to > prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any > innocent others. It's just that simple. > > Nor shall the collective, or it's representatives, presume to convert > individual behaviors into collective behaviors, as this is nothing > more than a deceptive manner of attempting to convert Rightful > individual behaviors into collective privileges. Neither the > collective, nor it's representatives, may presume to convert a Right > into a privilege. > > Driving safely is not a collective behavior that only comes into > existence upon the forming of a collective. Driving safely is an > individual behavior. Therefore, the collective, or it's > representatives, may not presume to convert driving safely into a > collective behavior. > > Therefore, driving safely can only be one of two remaining types of > behaviors. Driving safely is either a Rightful behavior, or a > Wrongful behavior. Driving safely is a Wrongful behavior if it > prohibits, denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any > others. Otherwise, it is a Rightful behavior. > > If driving safely is a Wrongful behavior, a behavior which prohibits, > denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of others, then > everybody should be prohibited from the behavior of driving safely, > and the collective may not presume to bestow upon any individual, or > representative, the privilege of driving safely. > > Otherwise, if driving safely is a Rightful behavior, a behavior which > DOES NOT prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of > any others, then no innocent individual should be prohibited from > driving safely. And, no collective, or their representatives, may > presume to convert this individual behavior of driving safely into a > collective behavior, thereby presuming to convert a Right into a > privilege. > > Driving safely is an individual behavior, not a collective behavior. > Driving safely does not prohibit, deny, obstruct, endanger or violate > the Rights of any others. Therefore, Driving safely is a Right. > > Our States ARE lying to us. Driving IS NOT a privilege. Driving IS a > Right. > > Our public streets were built on our property with our money for the > purpose of enhancing our Right of Liberty, and we each have the Right > to use our public highways for personal travel in the ordinary way. > > "The streets belong to the public and are primarily for the use of the > public in the ordinary way." -- Packard v. Banton, 264 U.S. 140 (1924) > -http://laws.findlaw.com/us/264/140.html#144 > > But, the more our public highways are made unusable by anything but > the automobile, the more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us > all prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. |