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From: Scott M. Kozel on 1 Mar 2007 23:35 "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. > > > Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our > > > property with our money for the purpose of enhancing > > > our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways > > > are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > > > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all > > > prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > > > Proffsl, this is the same screed that you posted here almost > > a year ago, and it was thoroughly and soundly refuted by a > > number of different posters; > > It was throughly and soundly DENIED by a number of different posters, > and it may have even been CONFOUNDED by contradicting laws, but I am > even more convinced that Driving is a Right this year than I was last > year. No, Proffsl, you just kept posting the same refuted notions over and over again, you didn't seem to learn anything from the discussions, and you ignored the sound and intelligently formed refutations of your tired and discredited arguments. You continually unleashed massive amounts of personal abuse on the posters who were refuting your arguments. [snip of same old, same old] -- Scott M. Kozel Highway and Transportation History Websites Virginia/Maryland/Washington, D.C. http://www.roadstothefuture.com Philadelphia and Delaware Valley http://www.pennways.com
From: Larry on 1 Mar 2007 23:35 In article <1172809664.997372.15250(a)j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, "proffsl" <proffsl(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. > > > Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our > > > property with our money for the purpose of enhancing > > > our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways > > > are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > > > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all > > > prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > > > Proffsl, this is the same screed that you posted here almost > > a year ago, and it was thoroughly and soundly refuted by a > > number of different posters; > > It was throughly and soundly DENIED by a number of different posters, > and it may have even been CONFOUNDED by contradicting laws, but I am > even more convinced that Driving is a Right this year than I was last > year. In other words, public opinion is against you, the law is against you, so you believe even more you're right. > > > > You lost the argument, utterly and completely. > > My previous argument was not lost. Yes, it was. Quite convincingly. > My previous argument was harassed > and slandered by certain posters. My argument in this thread is from > an entirely different approach, and I will continue to make it. What different approach? Your rantings have been the same for years.
From: k_flynn on 1 Mar 2007 23:37 On Mar 1, 9:35 pm, "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. > > > > Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our > > > > property with our money for the purpose of enhancing > > > > our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways > > > > are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > > > > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all > > > > prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > > > Proffsl, this is the same screed that you posted here almost > > > a year ago, and it was thoroughly and soundly refuted by a > > > number of different posters; > > > It was throughly and soundly DENIED by a number of different posters, > > and it may have even been CONFOUNDED by contradicting laws, but I am > > even more convinced that Driving is a Right this year than I was last > > year. > > No, Proffsl, you just kept posting the same refuted notions over and > over again, you didn't seem to learn anything from the discussions, and > you ignored the sound and intelligently formed refutations of your tired > and discredited arguments. > > You continually unleashed massive amounts of personal abuse on the > posters who were refuting your arguments. > > [snip of same old, same old] Don't forget where he completely fabricated a phony court case quote and was caught red-handed! Now that was funny.
From: k_flynn on 1 Mar 2007 23:38 On Mar 1, 9:35 pm, Larry <x...(a)y.com> wrote: > In article <1172809664.997372.15...(a)j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com>, > > > > > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > "Scott M. Kozel" <koze...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote: > > > > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. > > > > Driving is a Right. Our public streets were built on our > > > > property with our money for the purpose of enhancing > > > > our Right of Liberty. But, the more our public highways > > > > are made unusable by anything but the automobile, the > > > > more this LIE that driving is a privilege makes us all > > > > prisoners of privilege behind bars of blacktop. > > > > Proffsl, this is the same screed that you posted here almost > > > a year ago, and it was thoroughly and soundly refuted by a > > > number of different posters; > > > It was throughly and soundly DENIED by a number of different posters, > > and it may have even been CONFOUNDED by contradicting laws, but I am > > even more convinced that Driving is a Right this year than I was last > > year. > > In other words, public opinion is against you, the law is against you, > so you believe even more you're right. > > > > > > You lost the argument, utterly and completely. > > > My previous argument was not lost. > > Yes, it was. Quite convincingly. > > > My previous argument was harassed > > and slandered by certain posters. My argument in this thread is from > > an entirely different approach, and I will continue to make it. > > What different approach? This time he will use stronger marijuana before he fabricates more court cases.
From: proffsl on 1 Mar 2007 23:41
"MLOM" <g...(a)netzero.net> wrote: > "proffsl" <prof...(a)my-deja.com> wrote:> > > > > Our States are lying to us. Driving is not a privilege. > > Driving is a Right. > > <snip long monologue> You snipped all of my arguments. > Not exactly right: we all have to pass a test and meet > certain requirements to operate 1.5T+ machines at > speeds that make them potential WMDs. That's the lie. Now, address my arguments in support of my position. Otherwise, repitition of the lies does not make them any less the lies they are. > Driving is risky business, You'll note that my position is that we have the Right to "drive safely". Are you trying to suggest that "driving safely" denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any others? If so, then NOBODY has a Right to do such a thing, and therefore NOBODY should be allowed to drive. You can not obtain a License to deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of innocent others. So, which is it? Does "driving safely" deny, obstruct, endanger or violate the Rights of any others. Or not? > and we have to show that we can handle > that risk. We owe nothing to the public so long as we do not violate their Rights. Again, do you propose that "driving safely" denies, obstructs, endangers or violates the Rights of any others? > If it were not for the license process and > certain reasonable laws, driving would be about > like a game of Calvinball (making up the rules as > you go). I've never suggested we should make up the rules as we go. That is a strawman fabrication of your own, presented as if I have suggested it. I have not. The only thing we owe the public is to not violate their Rights. My argument is that we have the Right to Drive Safely. Driving Safely requires that we follow certain rules, such as driving on the right, stopping at stop-signs and red-lights to allow opposing traffic to proceed. > With an opinion like you posted, is it any wonder > Lt. H is smoking you like a cheap joint? This is a personal attack, and only serves to weaken your position. Please do not behave like k_flynn, Larry or Lt. H[woever]. |